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The Board of Governors voted unanimously to move Atlanta's NHL franchise to Winnipeg, Manitoba.
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Some Thrashers fans have expressed interest in seeing their team (or what once was their team) play next season, presumably for one more chance to wear the jersey and give themselves a chance to say goodbye to their team as a whole - a chance that the sale situation didn't afford Thrasher fans at all.
These fans are in luck - the Winnipeg franchise (whose website is fairly bleak considering it's decorated in NHL black and silver) released their pre-season schedule today. Two teams nearby will be their opponents - the Carolina Hurricanes and the Nashville Predators. Here's the schedule; plan road trips accordingly.
Date Opponent Venue Time (all times central)
September 20 Columbus Blue Jackets (ss) MTS Centre 7:30 p.m.
September 20 @ Columbus Blue Jackets (ss) Nationwide Arena 6:30 p.m.
September 24 @ Nashville Predators Bridgestone Arena 7:00 p.m.
September 25 @ Carolina Hurricanes Time Warner Cable Arena 4:00 p.m.
(Charlotte, NC)
September 26 @ Ottawa Senators Conception Bay South, NLTBA
September 28 Carolina Hurricanes MTS Centre 7:30 p.m.
September 30 Nashville Predators MTS Centre 7:30 p.m.
Personally, I would much rather not drive four to seven hours to see the team that I supported for eleven years wearing another jersey, but that's just me. How much emotional discomfort an individual wants to foist upon themselves is their own personal business.
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If this report by the Winnipeg Free Press' Gary Lawless is true, the relocated Atlanta Thrashers will hire Manitoba Moose head coach Claude Noel to replace Craig Ramsay. Considering Noel is being plucked from the team whose building the Zombie Thrashers will take over, this is starting to look more like makeshift relegation than a relocation.
If a league like the NHL practiced relegation, as do most professional sports leagues around the world, the Moose could've simply been promoted to the NHL without needing to move the Thrashers anywhere -- and the Thrashers could've been bumped down to the AHL until new ownership emerged. But without that system in place, teams have to be uprooted.
Good for Winnipeg, I guess, for maintaining an organization it's happy with.
Noel has just a 10-8-6 career NHL coaching record, having taken over the Columbus Blue Jackets for a spell in 2009-10.
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The most insulting thing about this story isn't that Don Waddell is still employed by the Atlanta Spirit Group, but that the individuals who were constantly in the news as expressing interest were never interviewed by the AJC (EDIT: As Vivlamore pointed out to me, they were interviewed. No story highlighting any of these individuals was published to the best of my memory, though i could be wrong), nor was anything ever investigated past what the ASG and Waddell said.
According to the AJC's Chris Vivlamore, Waddell talked to several groups interested in purchasing the team, but fate would not let the Thrashers stay in Atlanta. One was a Midwestern family that was introduced to Tom Glavine. Everything seemed golden until a member of the family became seriously ill and they had to abandon the purchase.
Waddell remains in his job while more than twenty employees were fired Monday, while countless others lost their jobs over this process. While I have never doubted Waddell's dedication to the franchise or the fact that his decisions were made with the team's best interests in mind (and never managed to work out correctly), the fact remains that he is still one of the more incompetent GMs on record, and that his tenure possibly hastened this team's departure from the city.
Waddell promised people that the Thrashers'd be here in September shortly before the Atlanta Hawks began their playoff run. Apparently he only meant himself.
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In what was clearly expected to be a final formality in the deal to send the Thrashers up to Winnipeg, the Board of Governors voted today to approve both the sale of the team to True North Sports and Entertainment as well as the relocation of the team to Winnipeg for the 2011-2012 NHL season:
It's official. NHL Board of Governors approves sale and relocation of #Thrashers.less than a minute ago via txt
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It was assumed weeks ago that the deal was done, as TNSE fired Thrashers General Manager (and architect of several Stanley Cup winning teams) Rick Dudley. They also informed the trainers, equipment staff, and eventually coach Craig Ramsay that they would all not be making the move. The new franchise replaced Dudley with former Chicago Blackhawks Assistant General Manager and Chicago Woives General Manager Kevin Cheveldayoff,
The team goes into Saturday's NHL draft sans name, sans uniform (the draftees will be given a generic NHL uniform that I'm sure they'll be proud to wear and frame). The season's schedule comes out soon, with a team located in midwestern Canada playing in the Southeast Division with teams like the Florida Panthers. The rush job on this situation was as obvious as the nose on Brad Marchand's face - it's nice to see that it's finally drawn to a conclusion.
The wait and the agony are finally over, Thrashers fans. It ended not with a bang, but with a measly one sentence comment from the Commissioner.
EDIT: John Shannon of Rogers SportsNet states that the approval was unanimous, as was expected:
NHL Board Meeting over. Told that WPG vote was unanimous for sale and relocation.less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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It what might be the greatest level of procrastination known to mankind, Gary Bettman finally spoke to someone from the Atlanta news media regarding the sale and relocation of the Atlanta Thrashers. It's not a pleasant interview. Frankly, I have gotten more emotion out of a turnip than I got out of reading what Bettman answered to the AJC's Chris Vivlamore. In comparison, his taciturn interview with McLean's reads like a Nicholas Sparks novel.
I'd like to offer some sort of in-depth analysis of the interview, but there's not enough actual meat there to write a flowing, understandable post. Bettman apparently only speaks in one sentence thoughts. Riviting. So, instead of a normal post, here're the best quotes and my translation of them.
Over the last few years I’ve been in Atlanta a couple of times. The situation is not comparable to Phoenix because the league actually owns that franchise. Also, Atlanta had retained the services of a widely respected investment banking firm (the Raine Group) in an attempt to secure a buyer. In Phoenix, we were acting as the owner.
Translation: The Atlanta Spirit Group hired the same firm responsible for helping move the Seattle Supersonics to Oklahoma City, so we didn't feel the need to interfere. We figured that they had it all under control.
We try to avoid relocation and in this case it was unavoidable. It was announced within hours of the agreement being reached. It was possible a deal would not have gotten done by next season.
Translation: We had to hurry up and get this done fast or else Mr. Chipman would have been very unhappy with me. No one likes Mark when he's angry.
Obviously, lots of factors came into play. I don’t want to suggest that ownership wasn’t one of those factors. However, I don’t think it is fair to suggest that it was the only reason.
Translation: The fans suck because they wouldn't support a sub-par product year in and year out that was owned by a disinterested ownership group. They needed to follow a more discerning franchise's model of attendance, like Toronto's.
The purpose of the $60 million relocation was an attempt to encourage a local sale at a lower price. Obviously, it benefits the league. However, the practical effect would be to encourage a sale at a lower place. By requiring such a relocation fee, we were creating a lower than market value price for an NHL franchise for someone to buy it and keep it in Atlanta.
Translation: I really, really hope that someone believes this, but I have a strange feeling that no matter how much economic and sales theory I try to pitch, people still can see through the fact that we told a bazillionaire that he had to give us an extra Loonie to move this team. And hey, we wanted a cushion in case that beer settlement didn't work out.
We are really unhappy that it came to this point for our fans in Atlanta.
This one sentence is all I can manage to think of right now, because I keep getting hounded by angry e-mails from folks who want the team to be named the Jets, and for their history to come back to Winnipeg, and from the CEO of Molson-Coors saying he's going to have the Habs sign Zenon Konopka if I don't fix this lawsuit.
Anyone want a beer?
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The coaching search began unofficially last week in Winnipeg, and today former Thrashers coach Craig Ramsay interviewed for his own job. Unsurprisingly, this was the result:
Craig Ramsay will NOT be coach of Winnipeg franchise. Was informed Monday.less than a minute ago via TweetDeck
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Ramsay joins Rick Dudley, the scouts, the equipment staff, and a heck of a lot of other individuals who have been left jobless by the Thrashers' sale and move to Winnipeg, which is expected to be approved at tomorrow's Board of Governors meeting. When the new team decided to not continue with Rick Dudley in his position as general manager, one could say that the writing was on the wall regarding Ramsay. The coaching search is expected to take a few days, which shouldn't hinder the team at the draft - Atlanta didn't have Ramsay and his staff fully in place at this point last year.
A popular name bandied about for the coaching job is former Edmonton Oilers coach Craig MacTavish, who was fired from Edmonton at the end of the 2009-2010 season, after leading that team to a 27-47-8 record, the worst in the NHL. The previous season much better, with the once storied (and some say up and coming) Oilers franchise finishing with a 38-35-9 record, which amounts to a 23 point drop-off for the team.
EDIT: Never mind on the MacTavish talk:
Craig MacTavish also told he's out in Wpg. Down to Noel and Haviland.less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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My money's still on former Columbus Blue Jackets coach (and coach of the AHL's former Manitoba Moose) Claude Noel, though it depends on if Vancouver lets him go. If they let him interview, they'll probably be ok with him leaving.
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It's always impressive to me when a commissioner, head of a company, or someone else in a position of power gives the green light to information that could be deemed damaging. But when you have a group of hockey-mad people who apparently don't care by what means they get a team, and another smaller group of fans that no one will recognize exists, why not release that info? It's not like anyone'll care, anyway.
TNSE's chairman Mark Chipman held a press conference yesterday in which he told the story of how the Thrashers came to Winnipeg. Chipman wasn't going to read the speech he did yesterday - one that included all of the details - until he got an e-mail from Gary Bettman giving him the green light to. What followed is something that should make any fan of the integrity of the game upset.
The Phoenix Coyotes were within a scant ten minutes of returning to the city, when Glendale ponied up $25 million to keep them there for at least one more season. Bettman couldn't ignore that money, so he basically all but promised the team to his friend Chipman. In a summary of the presser in the Winnipeg Free Press, there are enough details to shed some light on the situation.
Chipman is an extremely intelligent businessman and went about this in 100% the right way - make friends with the commissioner, be proper in your business dealings, and be patient. It's the league - the league who promised Chipman he'd get his team, and the league who offered the Thrashers up to them on a plate after Phoenix fell through.
Chipman said this regarding his dealings with the Coyotes, and presumably the Thrashers:
"It was on the basis that the NHL was going to do everything possible to find a solution in Glendale. We were asked to act as a back-up plan. We willingly agreed to do so knowing that, if nothing else, we would become intimately acquainted with the process and gain a further level of trust and respect with the league."
As more and more news leaks out about the fraternization going on between TNSE and the league, is it any wonder that it only took a few months to get the Thrashers out of town? Does it shock people that none of the local buyers were treated with any seriousness - and why none have been vetted by the press past what the Atlanta Spirit Group have said?
After all, in Chipman's own words:
"[We were] uplifted by the fact the league had taken us so seriously and, as a consequence, had indicated it would just be a matter of time before we would actually acquire a team."
When all is said and done, and the move is complete, don't be shocked if more information leaks about the league and Atlanta Spirit's possible improper handling of this move. As it stands right now, be thankful that at least Mark Chipman is being honest in what is going on. This franchise deserves an owner more like that than ASG. It's just a shame that one like Chipman couldn't keep the team here.
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Craig Ramsay might not be a lock for the new coaching job of the yet-to-be-named Winnipeg team, but he has a better chance to hang around with the organization than anyone else has so far. Ramsay will not necessarily be retained as head coach, but he will be on the list of interviewees according to the Winnipeg Free Press. Also on the list for new GM Kevin Cheveldayoff to interview is the current coach of the Manitoba Moose/St. John's AHL team Claude Noel. That is contingent upon the Vancouver Canucks organization making him available for interviewing.
Ramsay was a successful assistant coach with the Boston Bruins franchise until 2010, when he was named the new head coach of the Atlanta Thrashers upon the firing of John Anderson and his coaching staff. Under Ramsay the team got off to a fire-and-brimstone start that fell apart and continued to sink in January. A rough schedule, relocation talk, and wear and tear wore on the team, and Ramsay was unable to maintain the momentum his squad had just a few months prior.
Players love to play for him (witness Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart's excitement at being traded to Atlanta), but the seem to not like to take that devotion to the coach and show it well on the ice. Ramsay is not a high-energy motivator, and I was extremely critical of him at several points of the season, especially as the losing streak drug on. His decisions to put the same lines out after goals against was a constant point of frustration, and led to the Thrashers' amazing ability to allow back to back goals in under two minutes or less.
I would never wish for anyone to be fired, but Noel is an outstanding coach and has coached the Moose to a good bit of AHL success in just the year he's been with the franchise. He also has some NHL experience, coaching the Columbus Blue Jackets after they fired coach Ken Hitchcock at the end of the 2009-2010 season. He finished that season 10-8-6.
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Lots has been said regarding moving the Thrashers' team record books with the squad when they finally officially make the move to Winnipeg. Some Jets fans (see comments here) really want the Jets' history back, which will be difficult considering that history followed the team to Phoenix in 1996. The new front office staff has been flushing the Thrashers' organization's employees, and will probably be flushing the coaching staff here shortly. One thing that they won't flush, however, is the legacy of Dan Snyder.
Snyder, you will remember, passed away in 2003 from injuries sustained in a car accident with then-teammate Dany Heatley. Since then, the Thrashers have named their player of the year award after him, as has his AHL team, the Chicago Wolves. Former Wolves GM Kevin Cheveldayoff had Snyder playing for him for 91 games as well.
Sadly, the Free Press article mistakenly says that the Thrashers retired Dan Snyder's number. They never did, but no player has worn 37 since the accident. Says Scott Brown, director of hockey operations for the new franchise:
"We're a little tentative about retired numbers," Brown said. "Dan Snyder's number (37) was retired in Atlanta, but what if we bring in a free agent who wants to wear No. 37? And then we get into the retired numbers of Winnipeg Jets.
"Those are questions we have to ask ourselves. Retired numbers become very tricky going forward. For example, Evander Kane is No. 9. I don't know this, but I imagine Evander Kane would like to continue wearing No. 9 and we would hope that if we decided to let him continue wearing that number Winnipeg hockey fans would be accepting of that and the step forward in the franchise history rather than focussing on keeping Bobby Hull's No. 9 retired."
Well, that last part might be easier said than done, but I don't see an issue with retiring number 37 and keeping it honored. That's something fans in Winnipeg and Atlanta should be able to agree on.
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We already know Atlanta Thrashers president Don Waddell and general manager Rick Dudley won't be accompanying the team to Winnipeg. Now the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore reported the rest of the team's staff also won't be included in the new Winnipeg NHL franchise, which amounts to quite a few jobs lost due to the Atlanta Spirit Group's sale.
Most hockey fans have been sensitive to the city's loss of the Thrashers and its effects on both sports fans and employees alike. But here's one poorly worded Winnipeg media reaction to Atlantans losing their jobs:
The purging begins RT "@ajcthrashers: #Thrashers staff,incl equipment managers,trainers&strength coach have been told they won't go to Wpg"less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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While on a trip to visit Winnipeg, pending restricted free agent and captain Andrew Ladd was asked questions by the Winnipeg press regarding the hockey situation in Atlanta. A chorus of former players have come out in saying that ownership didn't support the team. Well, now Andrew Ladd joins assistant captain Dustin Byfuglien in agreeing that yes - ownership was the problem. Said Ladd:
"How you're treated with ownership goes a long way and we didn't have a great experience with that in Atlanta," he said.
But remember! This whole situation is because Atlanta doesn't deserve hockey, not because a negligent ownership group spending at barely above the salary floor for several seasons led to the declining ticket sales. Nope. This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the team's former owners have no grasp of the rules of the game, nor could they name a player other than Dustin Byfuglien in radio interviews.
None.
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USA Today's J. Michael Falgoust and Jake Kaplan report a group offered $500 million to buy the Atlanta Thrashers, Atlanta Hawks and Philips Arena on May 20. That was the day after the Globe and Mail reported the deal to send the Thrashers to Winnipeg was essentially done. It might be the offer USA Today's Kevin Allen was talking about here.
Can't find much on either part of the group that reportedly made the offer, which was composed of Oriana Capital Partners and Global Wellington Financial Corp. Especially since the report was sourced from the group itself, you shouldn't necessarily assume foul play here -- there's not much information out there on the former, and the latter's name is so similar to another I can't really tell which is which.
I also don't know how much Philips Arena's lease is worth, but I'd imagine that's a little too low to take over all three entities. Based on everything we'd heard the number for both teams was something like $350 million ... isn't an arena that can turn a profit off concerts and basketball games alone worth more than $150 million?
UPDATE: So, yep ...
Sorry #thrashers fans.. USA Today article about $500-million dollar bid for ASG is "Totally false" according to source.less than a minute ago via web
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A few Atlanta Thrashers players have been heard from regarding the team's pending relocation to Winnipeg, but not the team's most prominent. Dustin Byfuglien has now spoken to the Winnipeg Free Press about the move, and it sounds like he's excited -- my favorite part is when he's asked about being used to the cold. Winnipeg is cold.
And unlike Ben Eager or Chris Mason, he had nothing but good things to say about Atlanta and its hockey fans, along with disapproval of the Atlanta Spirit Group:
I definitely enjoyed Atlanta a lot. There are fans there and there were good crowds. It was fun to play there and I enjoyed it, the city and everything. But just the way the organization was run, it wasn't up to standards that's for sure.
Thrashers fans will also enjoy that he pointed out Chicago Blackhawks attendance was "7,000 people" per night when he first arrived, but that more people came out as the team started winning.
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As was widely reported this weekend, Thrashers General Manager Rick Dudley was informed that he would be bought out upon the team's move to Winnipeg. He and Don Waddell both will be out of a job come June 21st, though only one of those two is thought to have any future with an NHL franchise.
Kevin Cheveldayoff was general manager of the Thrashers' AHL affiliate Chicago Wolves for twelve years, winning four titles with them before moving on to be an assistant GM for the Chicago Blackhawks, with whom he nabbed a Stanley Cup ring.
Dudley, of course, was partial architect of that same Cup winning team, as well as the 2004 Cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning. Both of these teams won the Cup promptly after Dudley had moved on in his career. Maybe True North Sports and Entertainment want to see if that happens for a third time - but it's more likely that they just want to hose away all traces of this franchise being in Atlanta, and if that includes one of the best and most well-respected GMs in the game, then so be it. Their loss is another team's gain.
The coaching staff seems to be next on the chopping block, with Craig Ramsay having a meeting with TNSE sometime this week. No Rammer might be a bit of an unpleasant surprise for Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart, who were happy to play for their old assistant coach in Boston.
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Late Monday night, word spread on Twitter that 11 Alive was reporting Steve Belkin, disgraced former Atlanta Spirit Group member, was planning to ride back into town on a gleaming stallion and clog up the Atlanta Thrashers relocation to Winnipeg. Whether WXIA actually reported such a thing, I have no idea, as it hasn't appeared on their website or anywhere else.
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Will Belkin deploy his injunctiony, red tapey powers and use them for good? No, based on a tweet by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore. That July court hearing involving Belkin is just "a procedural matter" ending the six-year lawsuit between Belkin and the rest of the ASG and apparently has nothing in particular to do with the team's relocation.
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It's not often that ticket scalpers -- please, sir, the practitioners prefer the term entrepreneurs -- get the chance to buy an entire season's worth of tickets for a team that will have an 8,000-person waiting list by the end of the day. So the relocating Atlanta Thrashers offering an online free-for-all for season tickets must have looked like a dream come true for ticket profiteers.
The Canadian Press reports scalpers from as far away as Virginia who are more than willing to come pick up their tickets in person, as True North is requiring. Tickers are being offered on Craigslist, eBay and something called Kijiji, which is apparently like Craigslist but not powered by utter anarchy.
Winnipeg NHL fans are unhappy with scalpers who are taking advantage of supply and demand, but this is just something that comes with having a sports team. It goes both ways, too. In a few years when the Jets or whatever are having a bad season, Winnipeggers will appreciate being able to pick up a pair of tickets on a sidewalk near the MTS Centre.
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With the Atlanta Thrashers headed out of town, what will happen to Bruce Levenson and Michael Gearon's other asset: the Atlanta Hawks?
A few days ago, Chris Creamer of the essential sportslogos.net noticed True North had copyrighted the term Winnipeg Whiteout. Creamer speculated that could be a possible name for the relocated Atlanta Thrashers, leading some outlets to head off on a wild tear that the team will absolutely be named the Winnipeg Whiteout despite that being a stupid name for a team.
True North assured everyone they aren't going to call the team that, which, phew! They've merely trademarked the name in advance of the return of a Winnipeg tradition: wearing white for playoff games.
Playoff games, huh? Yes, because that's something that will happen all the time. The city is getting the Thrashers, remember?
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That 13,000 season tickets benchmark set by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman? Winnipeg NHL fans breezed past it 17 minutes after season tickets went on sale Saturday. This means there's officially just one step left for the Atlanta Thrashers to be moved to Manitoba, and it's only a formality: the June 21 Board of Governors vote.
Average attendance for the team's first Winnipeg season will thus likely near the MTS Centre's 15,015-seat capacity, meaning it will top Atlanta's four or five poorest-attended seasons.
A 2012 waiting list has already filled up too, meaning concerns about the team's future support may need to be delayed. The best-case scenario for Winnipeg is for the team to be adopted citywide a la the NFL's Green Bay Packers, and so far there's no evidence something similar won't happen.
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The Atlanta Thrashers are becoming a new franchise in more than just address, with respected general manager Rick Dudley joining ... president Don Waddell in seeking new employment. After a Thursday meeting, True North informed Dudley on Saturday that he won't be making the trip to Manitoba with the roster he helped build.
Thrashers fans have lamented the personnel development throughout almost the franchise's entire history, with the exception of Dudley's time as GM. He was responsible for moves like the Dustin Byfuglien trade that helped compose a young team with room to grow in the future.
True North might have been more impressed with the other side of that trade, however. The Winnipeg Free Press reported Kevin Cheveldayoff, assistant GM of the Chicago Blackhawks, is the top contender for the Winnipeg job.
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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman mandated 13,000 season tickets sold by June 21 for the Atlanta Thrashers relocation to Winnipeg to be complete. It looks like that's going to happen, with 7,158 sold to Manitoba Moose season ticket holders alone; the general public gets to try and knock out the difference starting Saturday at 1 pm ET.
It honestly wouldn't be shocking to see all of the MTS Centre's 15,015 seats bought up once car dealerships and so forth get to buy tickets for promos. You know how car dealerships do.
The popular observation for the rest of the season ticket drive is going to remain, "Winnipeg bought X season tickets. That's more than Atlanta did!" So, whatever.
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Add Thrashers' General Manager Rick Dudley to the ever-growing list of people potentially out of a job. Yesterday word leaked out that others are being considered for Craig Ramsay's coaching job, and today candidates for Dudley's arise.
The new owners in Winnipeg, True North Sports and Entertainment, more than likely want to put their own stamp on things with a fresh front office and coaching staff. That's understandable, but disappointing for Dudley. Dudley just signed a four-year extension with the team to stay on as GM. Also, the general manager believes that the team is just one or two pieces away from being a successful hockey franchise. Of course, this is something that has been said since Dudley's tenure began, and those pieces were not Radek Dvorak (though Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart were good steps forward). As much as Thrashers fans want this team to not look a thing like they used to after the move, it is sad to see someone who believes in the team that he has assembled get let go so quickly.
In other news, 55% of Winnipeg's season tickets are gone after the presale, with the general public getting their chance starting tomorrow.
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The third or fourth thing** every god-fearing hockey fan got around to pondering after it was announced the Atlanta Thrashers would be moving to Winnipeg: will the new team be included in NHL 12? EA Sports has confirmed that, yes, the new team's uniforms and logo will replace the Thrashers'. I'd imagine it's far too late to recreate a convincing version of the MTS Centre, though.
* Yes, OK, they might not call them the Jets. Plenty of people might do any number of dumb things.
** After wondering HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN, etc. etc., and then wondering about 880 different divisional alignment scenarios. Counting all that as one thing. Hockey fans are alignment-obsessed people, though, so it's a very time-consuming thing.
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What happens to a franchise's staff upon relocation? Besides players, who are almost all under contract, it depends on what the new bosses want. President Don Waddell, for one, won't make the trip to Winnipeg with the relocated Atlanta Thrashers, but other personnel might.
Head coach Craig Ramsay is still waiting to find out whether he's still employed, as the Winnipeg Sun's Ken Wiebe reports. Wiebe also noted True North leadership met with the team's current staff, apparently including general manager Rick Dudley, but not Ramsay.
Dudley's future isn't set either, as he shared with the Star Tribune's Michael Russo. It might actually be a blessing that he has NHL Draft scouting to busy himself with, but it's got to be tough to concentrate during so much change.
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The relocated Atlanta Thrashers still don't have a name, but Winnipeggers will soon get to find out what that the team's new name will be. Soon as they buy 13,000 season ticket plans, of course. CBC News reports the team name revelation will follow the ticket drive, which NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has made the litmus test on whether the region will be allowed to import the Thrashers.
The Winnipeg Sun reports that, as of Thursday afternoon, 4,170 packages have been sold. Almost 2,000 were sold within four hours of the Tuesday press conference, but the pace doesn't appear to be slowing, once you account for many of those early purchases being corporate deals.
And, come on, they're totally going to call the team the Jets. Come on.
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In a development discovered by SB Nation Atlanta's very own Hawks editor Phil Foley, True North Sports and Entertainment registered their season ticket drive website on February 28th. If you look at the WhoIs registry, it very clearly shows the date that the site was registered. Interestingly enough, February 28th is just a scant twelve days after owner Michael Gearon Jr. told the AJC's Chris Vivlamore that there was a "sense of urgency" to find a local buyer for a team.
This raises questions, of course, regarding how much "good faith" the Atlanta Spirit Group was going to enter into any negotiations with local buyers. How much urgency by local parties would be taken into consideration when you had a group in Winnipeg already beginning to ponder their season ticket drive? Granted, yes, TNSE could have seen Gearon's interview and gone "sure, great, Thrash are on the market, let's just go on and get this started now." There's nothing wrong with that. However, there's also the possibility that the rumors putting TNSE in the picture as far back as 2009 are true. In that case, there could not have been any good faith discussions with prospective owners interested in keeping the team in Atlanta.
Of course, there's always the possibility that TNSE just assumed that the Coyotes would return to Winnipeg, and this'd be all for that team. In this convoluted situation, who knows?
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Winnipeg has a NHL team without a name yet, though everybody sort of knows it's going to be called the Jets. Here's another clue: True North's Mark Chipman announced the relocated Atlanta Thrashers will retire Winnipeg Jets Nos. 9 and 25. That makes me cringe.
Evander Kane is out a jersey number, but that's the least of it. This also furthers the possibility that the franchise will divorce itself entirely from its Atlanta origins by neglecting to honor Dan Snyder's No. 37. Though Snyder's number was somehow never officially retired by the team, it still hasn't been worn by anybody else, making for an unofficial retirement.
A Philips Arena tribute to Snyder, who was killed in a car accident that also caused star Dany Heatley to end his Atlanta career, is the strongest memory many Thrashers fans have of the team's time in Atlanta -- to sever that while honoring players who never actually played for the franchise would cross the line from unfortunate to disrespectful.
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Atlanta Thrashers fans, it will not soothe you one bit to note your loss is granting NHL hockey to one city and AHL hockey to another, but that's the fact. As expected, Winnipeg's Manitoba Moose are moving across the planet to St. Johns to make way in the MTS Centre for the Winnipeg not-Thrashers.
Some have wondered whether Atlanta might be in the market for a AHL team now, not to slight our ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators, of course. There's a top-notch hockey rink that will go unused otherwise, as many have pointed out. I'd imagine something like that is being considered by somebody important somewhere (definitive!), and we'll have more later this week on what Atlanta hockey fans might be able to hope for in the near future.
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Though I tapped out what I could while watching the Atlanta Thrashers relocation announcement live, here's the complete, official transcript of True North's entire press conference, with all the remarks made by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, True North's Mark Chipman and David Thomson, Manitoba premier Greg Selinger and others, along with questions from assembled media. Those questions included one on what the team will be called [spoiler alert: the Winnipeg Jets], which was deferred for later.
And here's a video of the whole polite and personable MTS Centre press conference:
I can't imagine why a Thrashers fan would want to watch or read any of that ever again, but there it is for the archives, including audio and text records of accomplished sports and entertainment businesspersons referring to the Atlanta Spirit Group as "professional." It must be true!
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Considering that Evander Kane is Canadian, it stands to reason that he isn't horribly crushed about the Thrashers' impending move to Winnipeg. He is, however, much more judicious regarding his comments than Chris "gee golly Winnipeg!" Mason has been.
Kane had this to say regarding the move:
"I'm very excited about the opportunity. Anywhere in Canada, I'd love to go play. Going to Winnipeg with the Jets, they have a good tradition and history there," "Kane told Rogers Sportsnet on Tuesday. "I'm looking forward to renewing that and being a big part of it. I'm looking forward to that and getting this thing going."
He does also seem genuinely sad about the situation here in Atlanta, though. Even though he's trading anonymity in for being stalked in the supermarket, Kane had kind words for the fans.
"I think Atlanta was a non-traditional hockey market. I think that's the biggest thing. There wasn't a lot of people who knew a great deal about hockey, but there were people willing to learn," says Kane, when asked about the fan support in Atlanta. "We had a great group of core fans who came out to all of our games and some of our practices. I want to thank those people and thank the entire city for coming out and supporting myself and our entire team for the two years I was there. It's really disappointing for the Atlanta fans and myself to be leaving Atlanta so soon into my career."
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Former Atlanta Thrashers president Don Waddell has gone ahead and taken one non-Jets name off the table for you, Winnipeg: in a Tuesday conference call, he said the team won't use the Thrashers name, as that brand is still owned by the Atlanta Spirit Group.
Which, all right, great! If at any point down the road you buy some new Thrashers stuff to remember the long lost team or to be a sports hipster, you'll be putting more money into the ASG's eight-pocketed pockets. As our own Phil Foley points out, the ASG will even continue to see revenue trickle in from youth hockey teams paying to use the nickname.
Totally unreasonable demand that feels like it makes sense to say for some reason: the rights to the name, logo and colors should be burned in a bonfire.
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Don Waddell, who's held just about every position from janitor on up throughout the entire unsuccessful history of the Atlanta Thrashers, held a conference call with media Tuesday afternoon, a few hours after it had been announced by both True North and the Atlanta Spirit Group that the team will likely move to Winnipeg. Sean Fitzgerald of the National Post cites Waddell as saying he won't be moving to Winnipeg with the team.
He did say TNSE will interview current Thrashers staffers in hopes of keeping some of them employed with the franchise. He also reiterated ASG had been approached by "20" potential buyers, but that none of them had come through, and defended some of his personnel moves, such as the loss of Marian Hossa.
This might be the worst possible news for Thrashers fans. The team finally gets to attempt a season without Waddell at the helm of one or another department, and it's going to be in Canada. Good god.
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Atlanta Thrashers co-owner Michael Gearon spoke to FOX 5 on the Tuesday announcement that the team will soon move to Winnipeg. He appeared emotional and disappointed, repeating much of what we've heard from the Atlanta Spirit Group about the team's exit, at one point turning away from a question and covering his eyes. He also, at one point, revealed the ASG had actually met with Jerry Bruckheimer about possibly buying the team -- also, I totally called there being a Joe Johnson reference.
A transcript of almost all of it:
It's just a hard time. I've been in this city my whole life. Been through positive times and painful times. It's tough on my family. There's nothing that replaces the ability to go to a hockey game with your kids. To have to replace that is just tough.
You can't blame the fans. I'm a very proud Atlantan. There's a lot of things we have to be proud of. Teams require a lot of capitol. Trying to own two is difficult. If I were Paul Allen or Bill Gates this wouldn't be a problem.
I didn't deal directly with commissioner Bettman. I've been focused for years on trying to avoid this day. I've spent time with possible investors going back four years ago with the concern that this day may come. I made a desperate plea in February that unfortunately didn't lead to any real prospect.
It's up to us to find investors to help with that. For me, sitting here today is a painful situation because a lot of effort went into to try and finding that, but we failed at it.
[On the sale price.] I've read in the paper it's $170 million. [More looking for investors stuff.]
[On whether employees have been told.] This broke before we got to speak to our employees, and I feel awful. We have great employees. We have great fans.
[On the NHL's June 21 Board of Governors vote.] I have no control over that. There's an approval process. That's really a question for the Board of Governors. I haven't spent a minute focused on that.
[On whether more playoff success might have helped the team stay.] Success is part of it. But the year we won the division we lost $20 million. I've never looked as the teams as an investment other than a community property that require millions to support. I feared this day coming four years ago. I worked my tail off, and I failed at it. I wish some mysterious guy had called and said, "I have a billion dollars, I love Atlanta and I love the Thrashers."
Mayor Reed has been very supportive of us. I can't speak for how every corporation in Atlanta spend their dollars. I've put millions in and wish I'd found others to do that.
[On whether the Atlanta Hawks are in danger too.] The Hawks are here to stay. Teams require money. With the Hawks, we've stepped up with every player we have. Even with the Thrashers, we had guys like Kovalchuk who didn't work out. I haven't thought about the Hawks since the last minute of the season.
[On why the Braves and Falcons aren't leaving, but the Thrashers are.] I think it's hard on every team. Sports teams require lots of money. We as Atlantans shouldn't say we're different. We're not different. Do we have a Mark Cuban? I wish I was that person. I'm not. I stepped up seven years ago, put a lot of money in, and hate that we're talking about this. [David McDavid remark: "Name one team he's stepped up to buy" since being turned down for the Thrashers.]
[Anecdote about being devastated by the Flames' exit when he was a kid.]
[On what would happen if somebody suddenly offered $100 million to keep the team in Atlanta.] I haven't spent one minute reading that document. It's like putting a kid up for adoption. I don't want to put the kid up for adoption. There's been a lot of press about people with interest. I don't know if they have money for season tickets. We said, 'great! Just show us you have a checking account with some money in it.' And some of those same names continue to circle three years later.
For the people that work here, that's the hardest. They've given their heart and soul. This is a niche business. Being unable to ensure job stability is awful.
I can sell. I can create energy and excitement. When you meet with the likes of Bruckheimer or Basille, [there's a disappointment when it doesn't work out].
[Story on forming the ASG though Steve Belkin didn't work out, but that's OK because Joe Johnson came to Atlanta throughout that debacle.]
[Shooting down the reported interested buyers one by one, including very specific shots at J.B. Smith.]
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At a MTS Centre press conference noon ET on May 31, True North Sports and Entertainment announced they've reached an agreement to purchase the Atlanta Thrashers from the Atlanta Spirit Group. Though the deal still needs NHL approval, it's essentially final that the team will relocate to Manitoba over the summer.
Before the event began, a camera showed the arena's ice already in place. Here's a rundown of the press conference's events:
Scott Brown, a familiar True North name, thanked press for joining and fans for tuning in. At his side were Gary Bettman, Mark Chipman and ... some other guys. I'm sorry. He said, "True North Sports and Entertainment has long maintained that our goal has been to bring the highest-caliber sports and entertainment to this province."
Today marks the most significant announcement thus far as it relates to Winnipeg, Manitoba and the NHL. He then called on Chipman.
Chipman: "In the spring of 1995 I was fortunate to become close with our community's efforts to save our NHL Team. I came away with the realization that our lack of success was not anyone's fault. While the loss of the Winnipeg Jets had an effect on our city and province, it also stiffened our resolve to move forward."
He spoke of the city's commitment to running the Manitoba Moose as if it were a NHL team, and the guidance they received in running a major league franchise from that undertaking. In 1999, David Thomson joined up, leading to the MTS Centre's opening in 2004.
He said the NHL was also looking to correct the economics of its business model. He said he developed a relationship with Bettman and frequently made the point that Winnipeg should return to the league. In 2007, he and other Canadian NHL teams developed a presentation for the league, with the relationship between TNSE and Bettman "continuing to develop."
Chipman touted Winnipeg's economic development, comparing it favorably to the rest of the world's as of late. Chipman also thanked the Atlanta Spirit Group for their professionalism. Hold your laughter until the end, please.
Chipman: "On behalf of my family, our partner David Thompson, I am excited beyond words to announce our purchase of the Atlanta Thrashers ... As Mr. Bettman will explain in a moment, this transaction will be subject to the NHL's Board of Governors."
Bettman then took the podium. "It's nice to be back in Winnipeg after all these years ... Mark has been pursuing the NHL for quite a few years ... While Mark has been working behind the scenes with us, keeping the lines of communication open, at the same time the owners of the Thrashers have been looking to sell their club. Over this time, no real local ownership emerged, and Atlanta's ownership reached outside their local market. True North and Atlanta Spirit early this morning reached an agreement ... We were on a conference call at 4:30 ET, and it wasn't done yet."
Bettman again pointed out the June 21 Board of Governors vote.
"We don't like to move franchises. Sometimes we simply have no choice, as was the case in 1996 when we had to move the Jets. To our fans in Atlanta, we are not happy about leaving Atlanta. It was never about whether Winnipeg was better than Atlanta. The decision to move was only made after the team's ownership decided it was going to sell ... Times have changed for Winnipeg as a NHL market. The NHL has a different economic system that allows so-called small markets to compete."
He mentioned the NHL setting new highs in Canadian and American revenue and encouraged Winnipeg fans to start buying lots of season tickets -- 13,000, to be specific. Later, the website Driveto13.com was announced as the hub of that drive.
Manitoba's premier said a few words about the process, including himself among that 13,000.
All in all, they spent a lot of time talking about how big the MTS Centre is in Canada, at one point mentioning a Keith Urban concert as a high point. All right.
My favorite part: when the $39-and-up ticket pricing plan was pitched by listing NHL stars like Jonathan Toews, Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin -- none of whom play for Winnipeg's new team. The average ticket price is $82, among Canada's most expensive.
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The Atlanta Thrashers have been sold to Winnipeg's True North, pending approval by the NHL's Board of Governors. The Atlanta Spirit Group, the franchise's owners since 2004, have released a statement on the matter:
Earlier today, we, along with our partners, signed an asset purchase agreement to sell the Atlanta Thrashers to True North Sports and Entertainment. If ratified by the NHL, Commissioner Bettman and the league's Board of Governors, this will result in the relocation of the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg, Canada beginning with the 2011-2012 season.
It's extremely disappointing to all of us that it became necessary after all other options were exhausted. We want to express my gratitude to you, the fans, for the years of dedication you have offered to the Atlanta Thrashers.
As many of you know, for some time we have been seeking a buyer for the team or a partner willing to join with us in continuing to fund the team. We hired an investment banking firm to seek out potential investors with the expressed goal of finding someone who would keep the team here in Atlanta. In recent months, we openly indicated a growing urgency to secure assistance in off-setting our operating losses in hopes that our public plea would produce investors who, to that point, had eluded us.
After extensive effort, nobody has come forward. As a result, we had no choice but to explore the investment option presented to us by the NHL in the form of True North Sports and Entertainment.
Relocation of the Thrashers is not the outcome that any of us ultimately wanted. We knew when we purchased the club in 2004, that professional sports teams are seldom, if ever, money-making investments but rather vital community assets. We believed in the overall impact that the team had on the sports landscape of Atlanta, and over the past seven years, invested a significant amount of money into what we felt was an integral piece of the greater metropolitan Atlanta area. We are truly grateful to have been a part of this city's professional hockey history, to have made an indelible impact on the community through our players' outreach, our organization's activities and our foundation's donations, and most of all, to have been a part of paying tribute to you, our fans, each and every time our team stepped on the ice.
Thank you for the opportunity to be entertained, thrilled and inspired alongside you by Atlanta Thrashers hockey. None of this would have been possible without your support.
Sincerely,
Bruce Levenson and Michael Gearon
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An announcement six years in the making: the Atlanta Thrashers are leaving. Winnipeg, Manitoba's True North Sports and Entertainment group has announced at a MTS Centre press conference that it's purchased the NHL team from the Atlanta Spirit Group after a negotiating process that was reportedly approved by the NHL months ago.
This will make the Thrashers the second major league hockey team to be relocated from Atlanta after the city's loss of the Flames in 1980. Once the NHL's Board of Governors votes to approve the move on June 21, of course -- unless local ownership pops up out of nowhere between now and then.
The sale price for the team had been assumed to be $170 million, counting a $60 million relocation fee that would go to the league and is not traditionally charged by the NHL in team relocations. We'll find out more about the official financials soon, but one of the delays in completing the sale was Gary Bettman's reported desire to take an even bigger share of the final sale price than that $60 million slice, though the ASG reportedly ended up moving that needle in the other direction.
The team will likely remain in the Southeast Division for a season and play in True North's MTS Centre, a 15,015-seat rink on Portage Avenue that is expected to receive renovation money from the Manitoba government in order to properly host NHL games. The arena's current primary hockey tenant, the Manitoba Moose, expected to move across the continent to St. John's.
Though there were certainly good moments, the Thrashers will be remembered by most Atlanta hockey fans as a frustrating product with disinterested (at best) ownership that cut ties with its best prospects and players and went out of its way to spurn any association with the city's hockey heritage. However, it will also be credited with helping to sprout Georgia's youth and college hockey communities.
The team had reportedly been losing anywhere between $8 million and $30 million per year, depending on where you look -- here's Forbes' estimate. Though Philips Arena attendance was more or less in line with what could've been expected given the team's record, has outdrawn Original Six franchises in the past and ranked in the middle of the league during the team's first few seasons and its one successful season, it appears Bettman gave up on Atlanta as a NHL city long ago. Bettman insisted he was working behind the scenes for Atlanta, though the Globe and Mail reported a week prior that the Board of Governors OK'd the move long ago.
The quest, however sincere, for a local buyer to keep the team in Atlanta did not turn up very many candidates but couldn't have gotten all that far anyway due to the ASG's insistence on retaining the rights to the Atlanta Hawks and Philips Arena. They went so far as to technically enter an exclusive negotiating period for the other two properties, preventing anyone from even attempting to purchase the entire suite.
What's next for local hockey fans? The Gwinnett Gladiators and college hockey are among your best bets, while the Nashville Predators are only a few hours away. Atlanta may never again be considered for a NHL team -- and we mean never never -- but that doesn't mean Georgia's hockey communities can't keep growing.
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The Atlanta Spirit Group has scheduled a press conference for 1 pm ET, immediately after True North's own press conference, during which they'll likely talk about Joe Johnson leading the Atlanta Hawks into the second round of the NBA playoffs. The event can be streamed online live at myfoxatlanta.com. (Update: It may not be a press conference; perhaps just an interview.)
What will they say? Remember, we're talking about people who have yet to inform their season ticket reps that the team is about to be announced as relocating to Winnipeg. That Puck Daddy link is 20 minutes old as of this posting. If you call the Thrashers right now, they will probably try to take your money for season tickets. You are agog.
It's a good thing this press conference won't solicit questions from Thrashers fans on Twitter, because I'm not prepared to shield my three-year-old daughter from that much carnage.
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While us season ticket holders are worried that our payments’ll be applied to the Hawks or a terrible Britney Spears concert, apparently the Atlanta Spirit would like to get a few more folks that they have to issue refunds to. Puck Daddy’s Greg Wyshynski called the ticket office to purchase season tickets to the team for next year, and they actually tried to sell him seats.
The exchange between Wysh and the rep is a bit of gallows humor, but the truly sad thing is, no one’s said a word to any employees regarding anything yet. With just 22 minutes remaining until the party starts in the ’Peg, one would think that the Atlanta Spirit would have the common sense to -
Oh, never mind. I can’t finish that.
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11 Alive reported Tuesday that Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed has been "on the phone all morning, trying to figure out a way to prevent" the Atlanta Thrashers from moving to Winnipeg. One would wonder whether the morning of the announcement would appear to be too little, too late, especially since Reed has already said the city won't be able to spend to keep the franchise and Reed even started looking forward to new and bigger things once the team leaves.
Reed caught hell from Thrashers fans for that last comment, so he's got to try and make it right by doing everything he can from this point on. There's likely nothing he can do, but it's on him to at least show that he's trying. He can't dip into Atlanta's strained budget, but he can attempt to rally business support for the team in a last-ditch effort.
Thrashers fans would prefer to see their mayor fight until June 21 at the very least, for however little it's actually worth, instead of throwing in the towel.
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Though the Atlanta Spirit Group and True North have reached a deal that would turn the Atlanta Thrashers over to Winnipeg, the NHL has yet to sign off on the move. The league's Board of Governors won't meet to vote on the sale and relocation until June 21, giving anybody with an interest in keeping the team in town three weeks to act very, very quickly.
Three quarters of NHL governors must approve the sale of the team to True North, while a simple majority must approve the relocation to Winnipeg. Both are expected to be rubber stamped, and were reportedly all but assured months ago.
There's a chance in hell the move could be stopped between now and June 21, I suppose. We know what the NHL bylaws say about the matter, for instance, but those are only guidelines, not anything legally binding.
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Not at all delighted to present this image. Here's the notice True North Sports and Entertainment sent around heralding their noon ET press conference to announce the relocation of the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg -- or, excuse me, a "significant community announcement" (pic via @TravisSBN):
Significant community announcement! They are building a roller skating rink; you have all been trolled! That's probably not going to happen. I don't exactly know who Scott Brown is, but I'm getting kind of tired of seeing his name. Sort of feel like blaming him for the Thrashers leaving town. Totally unfair.
The Atlanta Thrashers are the Atlanta Thrashers for just about an hour or so more. Sure, sure, Board of Governors approval. Great.
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Oh, this will be one to treasure. WXIA's Randy Waters reports representatives from the Atlanta Thrashers are expected to make an announcement this afternoon regarding the team's almost-certain relocation to Winnipeg. If the Atlanta Spirit Group were to devise the most Atlanta Spirit Group comment on the matter, what would it look like?
I'd imagine three or four scoops of "We gave it our best shot," the slightest trace of a dig at the team's fanbase, and some sort of expression of sympathy, along with an insistence that they're all really big hockey fans, immediately followed by a six-year lawsuit over which ASG member is the biggest hockey fan.
Great news, Atlanta Hawks fans, you have their undivided attention now!
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The Atlanta Thrashers will be announced as relocating to Winnipeg, Manitoba at a 12:15 pm ET press conference Tuesday. Since more people live outside of Winnipeg than in it (just the facts!) here are a few places that are saying they'll carry live streaming coverage for you to watch online. Here's a live stream via the Winnipeg Free Press:
Elsewhere: NHL.com, the NHL Network and SiriusXM channel 92 will stream the event live. Also, Global News posted on Twitter that it will show live video of the event here. Winnipeg radio station Power 97 has said the same about this page. There's also TSN.ca.
CJME 980 is among the radio stations that will be covering it live, though I'm sure just about every station in Manitoba will do so, and TSN is one of the many national Canadian TV outlets planning to broadcast live on site.
I don't think very many Thrashers fans will want to dial it up, but I'm sure at least one or two will. Like listening to a sad song over and over, I guess.
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While Atlanta Thrashers fans debate where to head Tuesday or Wednesday night to say their final goodbyes -- looks like they're leaning towards a tavern on Ponce De Leon -- Winnipeg NHL fans are ready to party at the drop of a hat. Some joint called The Forks has been all ready to go, just say the word.
It's apparently also the locale at which 35,000 Jets fans gathered to rally to save their team in 1996. This means that when the New York Islanders are relocated to Atlanta next year (believe in the Islanders!), the welcome party will be held at ... well, technically there wasn't a save-the-Thrashers rally, so that remains to be scheduled.
True North has scheduled a press conference for Tuesday at noon ET that can only mean one thing: the Atlanta Thrashers will be officially announced as relocating to Winnipeg, Manitoba for the 2011-12 NHL season and beyond. They'll presumably also announce the team's new name, which should be the Winnipeg Jets if anybody's been paying attention.
For the past few days the only question remaining has been when the deal would be announced, and now we know. We'd heard May 24 from the Globe and Mail, the 25th or 26th from Darren Dreger, as far out as Memorial Day from the Globe and Mail again and even later than that according to other outlets. June 1 finally looked to be the official day, though June 2 also lingered. And that's all just what's come out within the past week.
Other steps that must take place: the team will hold a season ticket drive to fill those MTS Centre seats, the NHL schedule needs to be wrapped up and the logistical effort of relocating a franchise must get underway. Plenty more to go in this story.
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In what might be one of the last extraordinarily insulting interviews given by a member of the Atlanta Spirit to local press, Rutherford Seydel spoke with 11 Alive news to answer some questions about whether or not the deal is done (no shock - no comment from the peanut gallery). No one really expected him to give anyone a straight answer, because no one has given any Thrasher fans a straight answer throughout this ordeal.
Seydel did, however, manage to insult an entire fanbase's intelligence, which was impressive.
"I can't really comment on where we stand," Seydel said. "I can just say that I'm proud of my partners for working hard to keep the Thrashers and paying a lot of money, all of us, to keep the team in town for longer than anybody else has thus far.
"Unfortunately, there are not enough of us that are passionate at this point in time to keep the team, to replenish what we need to have done."
No one's really sure what that last sentence means. Replenish what? The coffers? Atlanta Spirit's bank accounts that have more money in them than they'd like to let on? Replenish the drive for hockey in Atlanta that this group of boobs has sucked out of the community?
How he can be proud of his partners for working hard to keep the team, and how he can say that they've done something good by keeping the team here - that's the insulting part. What parallel universe is he living in where having a team drag out a slow and miserable death because the owners refuse to actually enter into any good faith negotiations with interested parties who want to keep the team in Atlanta is a GOOD THING? Does he seriously want a cookie for this?
The kicker, though, was this:
HULLINGER: "Anything else you want to say Rutherford?"
SEYDEL: "Go Thrashers. We really have had a great run and all of the fans that have been there, and the fans that are still there and passionate about it, my absolute thoughts and heart is with everybody included in that group.
Go Thrashers? Really, Rutherford? Really?
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Another distinct report that adds to the sentiment the Atlanta Thrashers will be announced as Winnipeg's new NHL team Tuesday or Wednesday: Sportsnet's Arash Madani reports "NHL staff are in Winnipeg already for an announcement." Madani also adds that the league wants the move announced before the Stanley Cup Finals begin, which sets the deadline at Wednesday night.
Some Winnipeg hockey fans had been tracking airplane tail numbers last week. If league officials slipped into Manitoba's capital without Jets fans catching on, kudos to them.
Barring a major surprise, the deal will be announced within 18 to 42 hours, though the preceding announcement of a pending official announcement could come at any moment. If that makes any sense.
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True North has confirmed to Ted Wyman of the Winnipeg Sun and others that it did indeed tell local media and establishments to prepare for a potential Tuesday morning announcement of an Atlanta Thrashers importation. However, WXIA's Matt Pearl got TNSE to point out the notice has been "blown out of proportion" by media.
On the one hand, multiple outlets -- and common sense, for those who've been watching the story -- had already cited Tuesday morning as the likeliest announcement date even before True North's heads-up made the rounds, though most also mentioned Wednesday as a possibility, pending legal threads being tied up.
On the other ... yes, everything about this story will be blown out of proportion until the Thrashers have officially been renamed the Winnipeg Jets. I don't think anybody has based the conclusion that Tuesday is a very possible announcement date entirely on that True North comment, but it must be counted as evidence in favor of an impending announcement.
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Though all (and I do mean all) signs point to the Atlanta Thrashers being announced as Winnipeg's early Tuesday, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Tim Tucker reports the Atlanta Spirit Group has not yet finalized the deal. Certainly they're waiting on Don Waddell's last potential local investor to -- no, no they are not.
As Bob McKenzie reported, ASG's legal talent is the last thing keeping the Thrashers in Atlanta. We can always hope they find something totally salacious deep within that mound of paperwork they're poring through, but ... yes, let's do that.
Tucker also reports a deal should be considered "likely" for this week, though not necessarily Tuesday.
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Sportsnet echoed its own Nick Kypreos Monday in reporting the Atlanta Thrashers will "likely" be announced as Winnipeg's new NHL franchise Tuesday morning. Kypreos also specified 11 am ET, while True North has also reportedly told media and venue organizers to be ready to assemble in case an announcement is struck.
Based on Bob McKenzie's latest report, all we're waiting on is the Atlanta Spirit Group's lawyers to sign off on the deal, with True North's having already agreed to terms.
Canadian media outlets have appeared premature a couple times in reporting the announcement date, though of course they've had the gist of the story correct*. This is as united as its varied outlets have been, however, with TSN and CBC News also joining Sportsnet in pointing to Tuesday, with Wednesday as a fallback.
* And, also in their defense, Atlanta media hasn't broken much ground in the reporting of a likely announcement date. And national United States media has ... well, they showed up to take pictures of that last tailgate at the Gulch, but just let them know when the plane from Hartsfield actually touches down in Manitoba, thanks.
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If only the NHL's Gary Bettman and Bill Daly had fought as publicly for the Atlanta Thrashers to remain in the Southeast as they have in insisting the team isn't essentially already a Winnipeg franchise. Despite virtually all of Canadian sports media agreeing the deal will be formally announced Tuesday morning or Wednesday at the latest, Daly's holding firm, as is his job. To do otherwise would be foolish, but it's still grimly amusing to watch.
The NHL deputy commissioner told WXIA's Matt Pearl that there's nothing scheduled yet and the deal isn't yet done. All of Winnipeg has reportedly been put on red alert for Tuesday morning by True North itself -- sure, the deal isn't yet done, but the deal is done.
The good news, for Atlanta hockey fans: you may not ever have to deal with either the Atlanta Spirit Group or Bettman and company ever again.
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And here's one that all but confirms Bob McKenzie's earlier report that the only thing keeping the Atlanta Thrashers in Georgia beyond Monday would be the Atlanta Spirit Group's lawyers, and that the move will be announced by Wednesday either way. CBC News is reporting it's been advised by True North to prepare for a Tuesday morning announcement, though of course no actual announcement has yet been scheduled.
That's about as close to a confirmation as you could possibly get, short of an actual confirmation. The Thrashers will almost certainly not remain an Atlanta franchise beyond Wednesday morning, other than a rubber-stamped Board of Governors vote and other minor NHL formalities.
This is really happening, and I'm sorry, Thrashers fans.
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All signs point to the Atlanta Thrashers being unveiled as Winnipeg's new NHL team Tuesday at the earliest and Wednesday at the latest. TSN's Bob McKenzie adds detail to that timeline, saying the deal is essentially done and has been approved by True North's lawyers. The only potential 24-hour holdup: the Atlanta Spirit Group's lawyers must sign off as well.
While we can hope those infamous ASG lawyers spend six years looking over the deal, as is custom when it comes to events that involve both the ASG and lawyers, Thrashers fans should expect Tuesday and hope for Wednesday, just to give Gandalf the White one more day to come charging over that hill. Yes, I'm totally running out of references here.
This is probably the end. Let us enjoy sunshine, fireworks and lake water. Yes, I'm poolside blogging.
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Earlier Monday, Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos reported a Tuesday morning announcement of the Atlanta Thrashers' Winnipeg move had been planned "barring any last minute changes." According to WXIA's Matt Pearl, such an announcement has not yet been scheduled. Pearl cites True North PR, which hasn't been the most expressive in its commentary on the ongoing sale, not that it should be.
It's also worth noting, as Pearl points out, that this wouldn't necessarily rule out an announcement being made Tuesday, as PR wouldn't yet need to be aware of such a scheduled event.
Expect this back-and-forth to continue until True North itself officially and publicly announces the relocation.
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We've known for weeks now that the Atlanta Thrashers' time in Georgia is coming to a close, and we've known for several days that the announcement of a move to Winnipeg will likely come within the next two or three days. Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos says Tuesday is very likely the day: "Barring any last minute changes the plan is to formally announce #Thrashers moving to #Winnipeg as early as 10 am tomorrow."
Based on everything we've read up to this point, that would certainly make sense. Probably a dozen minor WordPress blogs and Twitter users with four followers have proclaimed Tuesday to be the day, but there's a big NHL media name saying it.
For Thrashers fans, this is going to hang a dark cloud over Memorial Day, but it's not over until it's over -- remember that according to Canadian media, the Thrashers have already moved three times by now. Tip 'em back and make it count, y'all.
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Thrashers enforcer Eric Boulton was at Brandsmart in Kennesaw yesterday to sign autographs and spread some Thrashers good-will. Apparently the radio conglomerate that owns 680, Q100, and 99X did not exactly promote the event (or maybe it's the terrible parking at that particular Brandsmart, or maybe it's because they were having an event at Brandsmart to start with), because crowds were sparse when I got there around 2:45. The longest line was the line for BBQ, and I think that might have been filled with Brandsmart employees.
There was still a loyal contingent of Thrashers fans there to welcome Boulton, though - and Buck Lanford of Fox5 was also there to get the unrestricted free agent's point of view on the kerfluffle. Keep in mind that Boulton is not under contract with the Thrashers for next season, so he had to be less direct than Chris Thorburn, who came as close to reaming the ownership of his team and the commissioner of the NHL as a professional hockey player can.
Boulton had this to say:
"The core group of hockey fans here is great and they are very passionate. We have to have a bit more success on the ice, and I don't blame the fans one bit here. If we had a little bit better leadership come from the top, and a little bit more security, I think we'd have a little more commitment to winning here and we'd be on the right track here. I just hope time hasn't run out here."
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FOX 5's Buck Lanford interviewed Atlanta Thrashers president Don Waddell on whether the team has any chance of remaining in town instead of moving to Winnipeg. According to the report, Waddell has said "until an agreement is signed and approved by the board of governors, it's never too late, but they will have to move very quickly and decisively."
On the hot topic of local ownership prospects, Waddell told FOX 5 that ownership has done due diligence on "20-some groups of people," saying "none of them has gone anywhere." His use of the term "due diligence" is interesting, as 11 Alive used those exact words in its report on the ASG's supposed lack of consideration for Anson Carter's group.
Lanford also spoke to movie producer Stephen Rollins, who was one of the first rumored potential buyers, first entering the story over a year ago. Rollins said his group, Lightning Sports Entertainment, did communicate with ASG -- FOX 5 confirmed the two parties reached a non-disclosure agreement. According to Rollins, his group had a hard time lining up meetings with the ASG after a certain point.
Waddell denied there ever being an offer from the group.
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For about the tenth time this week, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman has refuted that a sale to True North Sports and Entertainment is complete, or even near completion. On his radio show Thursday night, Bettman dispelled rumors that he has been in Winnipeg recently, and also took a swipe at media outlets who have reported the demise of the Thrashers more times than you can count:
"If you keep saying [the move will happen] enough, you might ultimately be right. But the level of accountability, in terms of the willingness to just put anything out there in terms of a news story, is really just ridiculous."
Bettman also addressed the concept of moving from such a large city as Atlanta:
"The only time we move is when we don't have a choice, and that typically happens when nobody wants to own a club there anymore. The prospect of leaving Atlanta isn't something that I'm particularly fond of ... We respect the importance of Atlanta as a city. It's a big market, but this is a franchise that's got a problem in that market."
That, ladies and gentlemen, is as close as Atlanta has gotten to good, decent, support from the commish. Uh... thank you?
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Atlanta Thrashers fans, it sounds like you have four more days to hang on to your NHL team. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore, who'd previously said the deal might drag into next week, now says a deal will not be finalized until after Memorial Day. This pegs an announcement for next Wednesday at the very earliest.
But what news will there be to cover for the next four days? How will we get our SB Nation-record-length StoryStream to 200 updates? Think of the StoryStream.
Don't you worry, friends. Former Atlanta Flames players will keep on hammering the Atlanta Spirit Group, various newspapers and TV stations and blogs and forums and AM radio hosts will keep reporting the deal is done for no good reason, Chris Mason will make another round of location-specific fan-friendly overtures and Atlanta media will keep reporting Atlanta buyers are being overlooked. And remember -- above all else -- the ASG is involved, so absolutely anything can happen.
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Had enough of Atlanta Thrashers goalie Chris Mason. After telling Winnipeg's Illegal Curve show how "tough" it was to play in front of dwindling Atlanta crowds -- he said that while selling Manitoba on the team's roster, to boot -- Mason came back to tell the Atlanta Journal-Constitution the Thrashers would've had more fans if they'd had more success.
Then Thursday night to the Winnipeg Sun, Mason said, among other things:
I grew up watching the Jets and I've always envisioned what it would be like to play on a Canadian team. I enjoyed my time in Atlanta, but if that's the way it goes, I would be excited to play in Winnipeg.
Let's think ahead. Sort of expect Mason to next inform Atlanta media that he's going to run a rap label from the kitchen of his East Point BBQ restaurant before showing Winnipeg TV his new Go Jets Go tattoo.
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Nothing more clearly shows the fault of the Atlanta Spirit Group in the Thrashers' mismanagement than their trip down racial lines.
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UPDATE: It's filmmaker Stephen Rollins. Nothing to see here.
Buck Lanford of Fox5 Sports says he spoke with an individual whose story directly contradicts Ken Rodriguez's interview with Michael Gearon. His story will be broadcast Thurday night on Fox5 on the Edge, with the full story to come Friday. According to Lanford's Facebook page, this potential owner apparently casts himself as being very serious - but the current owners disagree:
On my way back from an exclusive interview with a man who is still interested in buying the Thrashers and keeping them in Atlanta, but no one seems to take him seriously. You'll hear from him tonight on @FOX 5 Atlanta on the Edge. The full story tomorrow.
But remember, no local buyers want to keep the team here. All options are exhausted. So sayeth the Atlanta Spirit.
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FOX 5's Ken Rodriguez interviewed Atlanta Spirit Group member Michael Gearon on the Atlanta Thrashers sale to Winnipeg's True North. Unlike NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, Gearon admits the deal is well on its way, saying it's "about 80 percent complete" without leaving open the possibility of a local buyer stepping up at the last minute.
Gearon told Rodriguez his group has only been negotiating with True North for 10 days, not months as Rodriguez and others have claimed. He also shot down reports of Anson Carter, Tom Glavine and Stephen Rollins having interest in purchasing the team and says at one point the ASG was only looking for a few seven-digit investors.
There's really nothing Gearon and company can say that will sway Atlanta hockey fans, but at least he's not stringing anybody along.
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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman knows how to stay on message, no matter how Baghdad Bobly the message. During his weekly radio show, Bettman insisted Atlanta Thrashers ownership is still taking a look at its options as it seeks to unload the team, despite it being plenty clear to every observer that the Atlanta Spirit Group is shipping the team to Winnipeg, and soon.
Bettman dismissed reports of there being viable local buyers that the ASG overlooked, as have several Atlanta media outlets.
Nothing new from Bettman on the Thrashers front, of course, not that you'd expect to hear anything new. He continues to insist the deal hasn't been completed yet. That much does appear to be accurate, based on reports.
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TSN's Darren Dreger, who Wednesday said the Atlanta Spirit Group's sale of the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg's True North likely wouldn't get done this week, has definitively moved his timeline into next week. Joining Chris Vivlamore and others, Dreger now says:
There will be no announcement regarding the sale and relocation of the Thrashers before next Tuesday.
Breathe deeply, Thrashers fans, and enjoy a mostly sunny Memorial Day weekend. But not too deeply, as the Atlanta Spirit Group is involved, so who knows what could happen next? Virtually everyone agrees the deal will get done, but for the time being, a NHL franchise still resides in Atlanta.
You take what you can get.
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Anson Carter, the former NHL player who was reportedly looking into buying the Atlanta Thrashers, Hawks and Philips Arena as far back as 2010 depending on what you read, has finally spoken on the matter for himself. In a statement, Carter said his group reached "preliminary discussions" in early 2011 with the Atlanta Spirit Group before deciding to "focus their interest on other markets."
Carter also says his group was formed in 2008 with the intent of buying the ASG's suite of sports properties.
In the post at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that features Carter's statement, Chris Vivlamore says the paper took a look at Carter "months ago," evidently finding the venture to be unlikely to amount to anything.
Vivlamore adds, as an apparent shot to WXIA, which reported Carter's Thrashers offer wasn't taken seriously by the ASG*, "For those who want to question the AJC’s 'investigation' of the issue, keep watching the television news." These are indeed tense times for us all, friends.
* A claim Carter himself seemed to imply via Twitter earlier in the week.
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It's been made very apparent that the Atlanta Thrashers sale isn't yet final, despite what certain outlets have been reporting. The deal is believed to be very close though, with the only question left being when the move will be announced. Best guess has been early next week.
However, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore reported Thursday that the "ownership situation could drag into next week," meaning an announcement could be delayed until late next week. Monday is a bank holiday in the United States, so if a deal isn't completed over the weekend*, it won't be signed and sealed until Tuesday at the earliest. Of course, the sale could be completed before then.
* Lawyers worked from Friday night onward last weekend, so expect them to do the same this time around as both sides just get more and more antsy.
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And the date of that long-awaited announcement of the Atlanta Thrashers being sold to True North and moved to Winnipeg just keeps getting pushed back. The Winnipeg Free Press reported Thursday night that such an announcement likely won't come until May 31 or June 1, a week or later after it was supposed to be announced according to the Globe and Mail's original report.
Still, the sale could be wrapped up this week and announced Monday, even though it's a U.S. holiday.
We're drawing mighty close to the point at which the NHL needs to go ahead and finalize scheduling and so forth for the 2011-12 season -- in fact, based on the Phoenix Coyotes near-sale from 2009, we're already past it. Shouldn't everybody be feeling pressure from the impending deadline?
The lack of urgency in the few comments that have made their way out from Gary Bettman and the two negotiating parties suggests again that this deal has been an assumed conclusion for a while now.
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The NHL is assuredly going to permit the Atlanta Thrashers to relocate to Winnipeg. But, according to the league's own bylaws, is such a move allowed?
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An announcement before Memorial Day of the Atlanta Thrashers officially shipping off to Winnipeg is unlikely. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore says a deal isn't done as of Wednesday night and a Thursday announcement is probably not going to happen, which would rule out this week.
Since Friday, Saturday and Sunday are also out of the question -- Winnipeg is going to want a string of business days following the announcement for season ticket sales, nobody announces something like this on a Saturday and the Stanley Cup playoffs don't have a day off until Monday -- that makes May 30 a date every Thrashers and Jets fans should circle.
Nobody really circles dates anymore. I'm sorry for the anachronism.
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TSN's Darren Dreger, who's been criticized by plenty of Winnipeg fans for forecasting a slightly more prolonged Atlanta Thrashers sale timeline than others in Canadian media, reported again Wednesday that the deal is not done, adding, "it may not get done this week."
It seems the bigger the media institution is, the longer it asks Winnipeg fans to wait. Message boards and AM radio stations reported the deal was officially completed Tuesday night, while Dreger's is among the national outlets reporting this week won't be the week.
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It's a slight addition to what we already know about the Atlanta Thrashers, but a noteworthy one. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore reports no announcement of the team's sale has been scheduled, meaning True North and the Atlanta Spirit Group haven't yet agreed with each other on when to announce the sale.
The deal has reportedly been completed, according to Canadian media, or is still nearing completion, according to Atlanta media, but either way, the announcement date reportedly remains up in the air even to those negotiating the deal.
Every week day from Tuesday of this week through next Friday has been reported at one point or another, I'm pretty sure. Wednesday was widely pointed to as a possible announce date, with a couple of independent media sources proclaiming the sale complete late Tuesday, but it looks like it will be Thursday at the absolute earliest.
Not quite sure what that eventual announcement will look like, but it will presumably come from True North itself. Don't expect the Atlanta Spirit Group to do much of anything but confirm the deal and take shots at the team's fanbase.
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A group aiming to buy the Atlanta Thrashers, Atlanta Hawks and Philips Arena in 2010 was "never put through due diligence," according to a Wednesday report by 11 Alive. It's reportedly the group that featured Anson Carter, whose name has been emerging as a potential interested buyer since at least February 2011.
Earlier this week, Carter also appeared to publicly allege his group had offered the ASG $350 million, though it's hard to gain much information from a single tweet, such as exactly which properties were supposed to be involved, how far along negotiations may have gone and so forth.
A source of 11 Alive's Matt Pearl says Carter's group had "serious financial backing," a claim that, if true, could spark a storyline worth pursuing, especially now that it's being reported the Atlanta Spirit Group may be in the process of receiving $20 million of that estimated $60 million NHL relocation fee.
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The Hockey News' Ken Campbell and a couple other outlets are reporting the deal that would send the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg is complete and just waiting to be announced. WSB-TV's Zach Klein, however, contacted Thrashers president Don Waddell to ask whether the news was true:
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Believe who you want to believe at this point -- Waddell or Ken Campbell or even Gary Bettman, who's sort of pretending nothing at all is happening. I'm going to sit and stare at a wall for five hours, which would make me feel smarter than this story is at this point. Stay tuned though!
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Ken Campbell of the Hockey News is the latest to report that the Atlanta Thrashers have finally been sold to Winnipeg's True North group, though as far as I'm aware he's the first non-local media member to do so. He cites a source as saying the deal's final hurdle -- how that presumed $170 million sale price would be split up between the Atlanta Spirit Group and the NHL -- has been solved.
Campbell says Gary Bettman and crew wanted that relocation fee to reach as much as $70 million, while the ASG wanted it to be less than the $60 million everybody had assumed. It sounds like the ASG got its way, with $20 million of that hearty cut coming their way. (This could be a very important figure to keep in mind.)
Either way, it's worth noting again that relocation fees are not a common inclusion in NHL team moves. We'll still wait for word on when the official announcement is expected to happen.
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Gary Bettman was on a local Tampa Bay radio station, WDAE, to discuss playoff hockey and the renaissance of the Tampa Bay Lightning (which he attributed to good ownership - irony alert). He did not specifically address the Thrashers issue until asked by a host. Keep in mind that Bettman is a lawyer, which is probably why his denial sounds like an affirmation to some, and his affirmation sounds like a denial to others:
"I think you’re being a tad presumptuous on what’s going on in Atlanta," Bettman said in response to a radio host’s comment that the Atlanta Thrashers are being moved to the Manitoba capital, as many reports suggest.
"Nobody’s announced anything and frankly if there is something going on nothing is going to happen until it actually happens, which means it may not happen," Bettman said during a telephone interview with WDAE radio in Tampa Bay, Florida.
"So I think people need to take a deep breath and pause," Bettman said.
So, what does this probably mean? Considering how lax Bettman has been in addressing the issue in any way, form, or fashion, who knows. Is it a perfect denial of a move? No. Does it give fans in the Peg a reason to stand up and cheer? Absolutely not.
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Manitoba premier Greg Selinger, who's previously emerged in this story to essentially* say True North will get government help in relocating the Atlanta Thrashers, is asking for a little patience on the part of Winnipeg hockey fans. He says fans should trust True North will see the deal through.
For comedy's sake, imagine Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed or Georgia governor Nathan Deal encouraging Georgians to trust the Atlanta Spirit Group to safely walk down a flight of stairs without suing themselves, let alone to complete a transaction that would benefit anyone besides the Atlanta Spirit Group.
* Sure sure sure. It's technically for the arena, which is owned by True North, and not the importation of the team, which is about to be owned by True North and will play in the arena owned by True North.
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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman went on Tampa's 620 AM WDAE Wednesday morning [click for audio]. Though the appearance wasn't meant to be entirely about the impending move of the Atlanta Thrashers -- Bettman discussed Tampa Bay Lightning ownership, NHL media, concussions and officiating -- he still commented on the team's predicament and made a pair of remarks that Thrashers fans will pick apart.
To a question on which Canadian towns may get a team once the Thrashers move to Winnipeg, Bettman replied, "I think you're being a tad presumptuous on what's going on in Atlanta. Nobody's announced anything, and until it's announced, nothing's going to happen until it's announced." Ommmmmm.
He said the league is in no hurry to populate Canada by relocating teams, saying, "We only move clubs when we typically find that we have no alternative."
Bettman was also asked whether the successful Lightning should be the model for Sun Belt NHL teams: "You get me a good owner, and a competitive, well-run team, [and a Southern team can be as successful as the Lightning]." He added, "Good management, good ownership; that's the key everywhere, and that's what you see with the Lightning."
The commissioner clearly gets it, whether he'd like to admit it or not.
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Former NHL player Anson Carter was long reported to be interested in taking part in a group that would purchase the Atlanta Thrashers from the Atlanta Spirit Group and keep the team in town. His name kept popping up throughout the last days of the mysterious last remaining local group, but obviously nothing came of it.
Based on this tweet, it looks like he's saying his group had an agreement to buy the Thrashers and Atlanta Hawks (but what about Philips Arena's financials?) at some point:
@sreichO2K We had a commitment for 350M, do you know anyone looking to sell...who's primary goal is to make a deal without changing markets?less than a minute ago via web
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The person he's talking to here is Stephen Reich, described on his profile as a sports agent, who replied with, "I was hoping that place was Atlanta but I guess I was naïve."
What can we make of this? Certainly depends on what Carter meant by "commitment" and whether the group he was a part of could actually have backed up whatever arrangement may have been in place.
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Official is a funny word. To some, it means the deal has been completed and announced by all parties involved. To others, it means something else. Edmonton radio station 630 CHED AM's Dan Tencer says the deal was officially completed "in Atlanta" Tuesday night, and you're free to decide what to make of official there.
That's two reports of the deal having been finalized Tuesday night, but neither of them from national media, traditional Winnipeg media or any Atlanta media. My one reason to wonder about this one, other than the track record in general of AM radio reports (no offense to this particular outlet, of which I'm not at all aware): it claims True North paid $170 million, which is the exact price every Joe Hockey had figured the price would be.
How could every Joe Hockey have been so right all along?
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The NHL, Atlanta Spirit Group and True North have yet to announce any team relocation deal, so take this one for what it's worth. JetsOwner.com, a site that's been chronicling for eight years Winnipeg's attempts to bring back NHL, has decided to move its "Jets meter" to 100 percent for the first time, stamping "Mission Accomplished" across the front and exclaiming:
Yes, it is surreal to type these words, in fact I am shaking, but JetsOwner.com is making it official. The Return of the Jets to Winnipeg has become a reality. We did it! We are back!
There's also a forum discussion on the curious announcement that the deal is done and will be announced shortly. It doesn't appear to be a pre-written post that accidentally got pushed to the front page, as proprietor Darren Ford's Twitter account is also very on board with the claim.
Ordinarily we'd try to avoid linking to a fan forum regarding a news story, but that site is the Winnipeg NHL news site. Think of it like it's a college football message board with front page that's long been edited by a respected community member. Just trying to put this in SEC terms.
We'll see what happens next.
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Pretty sad that Atlanta Thrashers fans are hearing more about the progress of sale negotiations from the group that wants to buy the team than from the Atlanta Spirit Group, huh? Tuesday, True North's Scott Brown told Sports Radio 1290's Hustler & Lawless show as well as Reuters' Rod Nickel that the relocated team's name "has not been determined" yet, perhaps meaning "Winnipeg Jets" is still in play.
Last we'd heard, Winnipeg mayor Sam Katz declared the team would be called the Manitoba Something. We've still yet to figure out what a Something is, but Canadians have their traditions and we have ours. Probably the official province bird.
Seriously, the team is going to be called the Jets. They'd be foolish to get rid of all that goodwill. The Thrashers' fan's only dog in the fight is ensuring the franchise's Atlanta history -- such as the memory of Dan Snyder -- isn't thrown out during the relocation, which seems like it would be more likely if they're called the Jets than if they come up with a new name.
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Here's the firmest confirmation yet that the Atlanta Thrashers are moving to Winnipeg: Global News is reporting True North says it's getting ready to announce a press conference on the return of the NHL to the city. We've heard the town's mayor say such an event could happen as early as Friday, while others are reporting Monday, but there you have it.
All that's left is the wait -- most locals have to be wishing the negotiating parties would just hurry up and get it over with. If you're a Thrashers fan still holding out hope that the team will remain in town, you're about as never-say-die as a fan can get.
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The likely relocated Atlanta Thrashers will still play their games in the NHL Southeast Division for the 2011-12 season, based on everything that's been reported so far. The Winnipeg Free Press' Tim Campbell adds that an Eastern Conference team has reportedly been told to expect two trips to Winnipeg next season.
Having a division that includes teams in Manitoba, D.C., North Carolina and Florida would put each squad's sum frequent flyer miles up against the highest in sports. The NCAA's Western Athletic Conference, which boasts teams in Hawaii and Louisiana, merely scoffs.
Everybody has a scenario on what to do with teams after that -- here are four from our Red Wings blog alone -- though the most likely seems to be moving the Nashville Predators into the Southeast.
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Mayor Sam Katz expects a deal moving the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg to be finished “before this week is over,” according to an interview with the Canadian publication National Post. When later asked, “Do you really anticipate [the move] is going to happen soon?” Katz replied, “Yeah, I do. I do.”
A previous report from the Globe and Mail indicated Monday or Tuesday are realistic dates for the deal moving the Thrashers to Winnipeg to be completed. But Katz believes the two sides of the negotiations are ahead of that timetable by several days.
Notably, the Post describes Katz, who attended the Winnipeg Jets’ last game 16 years ago, as “emotional” as he discusses what the Jets mean to him, and the significance of bringing the NHL back to Winnipeg. He wishes the new team could have the old name, but is obviously thrilled at the potential of having the NHL in his city once more.
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The Globe and Mail has pushed back its original best estimate of the announcement of an Atlanta Thrashers move to Winnipeg by almost a week. Originally reporting the deal would be announced May 24, the paper now makes a case for Monday, May 30 being the day, though it also says the news could come as early as Thursday.
At least Thrashers fans already have an excuse to drink all day, am I right?
Why Monday? There are still a few wrinkles to be worked out, but, as Darren Dreger also reported, those could possibly be resolved by the end of the week. However, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman doesn't like to announce news on game days, and Monday is the first Stanley Cup Playoffs open date within the next week.
Overwhelming red tape is the only chance this fanbase has left of hanging on to its hockey team. The suspected announce date getting delayed even further into next week is about all Thrashers fans can hope for.
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After an interview with Illegal Curve and various and sundry other interviews that left Thrashers fans dismayed at his level of dedication to the city, goaltender Chris Mason is following in Chris Thorburn’s footsteps and stating that ownership isn’t behind the team.
In a blog post by Chris Vivlamore of the AJC, Mason says that he feels like there’s support in Atlanta and that the owners never really gave anyone a shot.
Mason, a Red Deer, Alberta native, said he would like to experience playing in a Canadian market, but not at the expense of Atlanta.
Mason said he did not feel Thrashers ownership was 100 percent behind the franchise. He cites how the team responded at the trade deadline as it made a push for the playoffs.
“I don’t think we were given a legitimate chance,” Mason said. “We made a couple of good moves for [Radek Dvorak] and [Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart] at the deadline. But it wasn’t enough. We were such a young team. It’s hard to make the playoffs. We believed we could win but sometimes you need someone who can score an extra goal or two or help on the power play. Our management was hampered by budget. It’s still hard to make the playoffs even if you have the money to spend. When you don’t have it, it’s even harder. You see it every year. Good teams don’t make the playoffs. A couple of more pieces and we could have been in.”
I guess Mason has a different script for Vivlamore than he does for the nice folks at TSN or IC, where he practically sold the team to the good people of Winnipeg.
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We're pretty sure that at this point the Atlanta Thrashers are going to be sold to True North and moved to Winnipeg. But we can't be totally 100 percent sure until an announcement is made by either the Thrashers ownership group (likely) or the group buying the club. According to Darren Dreger, you shouldn't expect the Thrashers to make an announcement about the their relocation Wednesday, and maybe even not by the end of the week.
It's Tuesday. No announcement has been planned and there won't be one today to acknowledge a deal has been reached between Atlanta Spirit Group and True North to relocate the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg. Sources close to the negotiation say it's possible, but unlikely, the two sides will complete the transaction by Thursday or Friday and until its finished, trying to determine a firm timeline is nothing more than a guessing game.
So not only is Atlanta going to lose their hockey team, they have to play this agonizing waiting game while we wait for the deal to officially go through. We'll keep you posted.
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Atlanta Thrashers fans have been holding out hope for a last-minute buyer to present the Atlanta Spirit Group with a Godfather deal that would keep the team in Georgia, but it doesn't sound like mayor Kasim Reed has the same hopes. Reed was quoted by 11 Alive's Jennifer Leslie as saying, "Anytime we lose a major sports franchise, it's tough. It's going to hurt the city."
He was also quoted as adding, "But we have a lot of positive things going on in the sports franchise space that we'll be announcing soon that will offset it a bit." That leads one to presume there's been more interest in bringing a MLS team to Atlanta, since it's hard to think of what else that could mean.
Losing the Thrashers would indeed hurt the city, as it would be slightly less attractive to northern transplants, would no longer be one of the few cities with teams in each of the four biggest North American major leagues and would develop an even worse reputation as a fairweather sports town, for those who happen to care about that for some reason.
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Rodney Ho reported Atlanta sports radio station 680 The Fan has let host Mitch Evans go in advance of the Atlanta Thrashers likely relocation to Winnipeg. Evans handled the Thrashers and Braves radio pregame and postgame shows and blogged about the teams at 680thefan.com.
He's been working in Atlanta sports radio since 1998.
It's awful to see anybody have to lose his or her job due to a team leaving town, especially one that's essentially being pushed out. It will likely be even harder for the team's employees, who won't find out whether they're unemployed or not for at least another day or two. The Atlanta Spirit Group hasn't let anyone from their general manager on down to season ticket reps know anything about their futures.
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That Tuesday press conference the Globe and Mail reported would introduce the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg? Won't happen, says NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. The Globe and Mail stepped back its projection of a relocation press conference the night after reporting the Thrashers would move, suggesting the announcement could be delayed.
For one thing, Monday is a bank holiday in Canada, and lots of bank is changing hands between True North, the Atlanta Spirit Group and the NHL itself, which would like to receive as much of that final sale price as it can, thank you very much.
There's also a Kid Rock concert at the MTS Centre Tuesday night, which will never stop being funny.
It could be another week before the sale is announced, says the Toronto Sun, as the NHL may want to avoid overshadowing the Stanley Cup Playoffs' current round by finalizing the story.
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If the Atlanta Thrashers are sold and moved to Winnipeg, MTS Centre's current tenant, the AHL's Manitoba Moose, will need to be relocated. They'll reportedly be moved to St. John's, but the team declared via its Twitter account that no such agreement is in place and no Friday press conference has been scheduled.
This storyline is just another small gear in a big machine. Expect the Thrashers to move to Winnipeg, and expect the Moose to move to St. John's. Based on what we've heard from Winnipeg's mayor, however, don't expect the Thrashers to be renamed the Jets -- thus, the Manitoba Moose could remain in place while Winnipeg's AHL team jets elsewhere.
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Count former Atlanta Thrashers head coach John Anderson among those laying blame for the Atlanta Spirit Group's struggles at the feet of the ownership group itself. Anderson was quoted as telling SiriusXM's NHL Home Ice show, "Ownership in Atlanta doesn't want to be committed to hockey."
Current Thrashers player Chris Thorburn would likely agree, having accused the ASG of already "turn[ing] their backs" on the team and its players. Former Thrashers players and former Flames players alike have also joined in on slamming ownership for one mistake or another.
He was also asked whether the potential relocation was used as a reason for failing to re-sign Ilya Kovalchuk, which he strongly denied.
As more and more hockey people associated at one point or another with the basketball-centric ownership group continue to tell their stories -- and believe me, they will -- Atlanta's hockey fanbase will continue to be vindicated in its grievances against the ASG. Too little, too late, of course, but there's something to be said for being right all along.
Anderson coached the team in 2008-09 and 2009-10, achieving one of the franchise's three winning seasons in his second year.
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The Atlanta Thrashers ownership group and True North negotiated through the weekend, as had been forecast Friday night by the Globe and Mail, says the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore. No updates on how much progress they have made or how close they are to a conclusion, though Vivlamore reports the one local buyer group now appears to have dropped out.
It's only a matter of time now, though there's more hope in that statement than you think. It's the tiniest ember of hope, of course, but still. The Atlanta Spirit Group and TNSE have likely just a few more days to reach a deal. If we know anything about the ASG, it's that they can make the simplest transaction take far longer than anyone would think possible -- it took six years for them to stop suing each other over Joe Johnson, folks.
Thus, the party responsible for the franchise's failure is now the fanbase's final hope. Funny how that works out.
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The Thrashers, who are rumored to be moving to Winnipeg come Tuesday, haven't been here for long - but the franchise's been the subject of misty recollections the past week or two.
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The American Hockey League's Chicago Wolves are the Atlanta Thrashers' top minor league affiliate. So what happens if the Thrashers move to Winnipeg, which is about 800 or so miles away from Chicago?
First of all, True North already owns an AHL team -- Winnipeg's Manitoba Moose, who are reportedly moving to St. John's. That would put the Moose half a planet away from their current affiliate Vancouver Canucks, thus making them available for somebody else to pick up, but they'd also be over 4,000 miles away from Winnipeg. Canada is really enormous.
So could the Wolves end up linked with the Canucks? From the sound of it, the Wolves can do just about whatever they want, as they're one of the continent's most desirable and well-run minor league hockey teams. They're the only AHL team with their own full TV deal, for instance.
It wouldn't be surprising to see the Wolves remain a part of the Thrashers franchise even if it moved, as they'd only be a few minutes of air time farther away from Winnipeg than they already are from Atlanta.
Don't expect to see the ECHL's Gwinnett Gladiators remain affiliated with the Wolves and Thrashers in that event, however -- not only would that spread out Winnipeg's farm system all around the hemisphere, it would also be horrible for Glads marketing to be shipping players on into Winnipeg's organization. The Gladiators will stay here either way, but we'd have to wait and see how a Thrashers move would impact the team.
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Winnipeg hockey fans have been desperate to get their beloved Jets back since the team left for new opportunities in 1996. The city nearly brought the Coyotes back, which would've made for a seamless transition, as far as franchise history, branding and traditions go.
Can't they just re-name the Atlanta Thrashers the Jets? Nope, says Winnipeg mayor Sam Katz, who nevertheless speaks highly of the city's Jets heritage:
I can now tell you they will be called the Manitoba something ... I relate to the Jets, right from the start when Bobby Hull signed that huge contract on Portage. We had the best line in hockey with Hull, Nilsson and Hedberg. Our hearts were just torn when the Jets left.
Pretty confusing move, unless he's let himself be entirely misinterpreted. Calling the team the Jets would be an automatic marketing win, tapping into decades of familiarity, while calling it the Manitoba Moose or Thrashers or whatever means starting up a whole new thing with some stupid new logo. It also means selling a lot of brand new merchandise, even though I have a feeling everybody would just show up in Jets gear anyway.
Announcing an imported NHL team would be a big deal, but announcing the return of the Jets would have to be just about the biggest moment in Winnipeg sports history (I am totally ignorant of Winnipeg's history). I've seen more than a few Winnipeg fans claim they'd rather have no team at all than have one called something besides the Jets. Works for us!
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Atlanta Thrashers players are all over the map regarding their feelings on the team's likely relocation to Winnipeg, making them much like the team itself, am I right? On the Atlanta-Winnipeg spectrum, we'll go ahead and put forward Bryan Little on the side opposite Anthony Stewart, who recently issued an unchecked box to all non-Atlanta cities.
Little told Southern Ontario's The Record, "Hockey isn't exactly a top-five sport in Atlanta and they have trouble selling tickets down there, so in that way, I think it might be for the best." College football, pro football, baseball, NASCAR, pro basketball and maybe even college basketball ... yep, he's entirely correct about the top-five part, and goodness help us if pro wrestling happens to count as a sport.
He's not exactly trashing Atlanta hockey fans, though, saying he feels bad for the diehards who will likely lose their team.
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FOX 5's Buck Lanford posted video to his Facebook page of his Saturday conversation with Atlanta Thrashers center Chris Thorburn. Thorburn made the rounds during what I'm told was a separate event in Stockbridge, posing for photos with kids, but sounded off to Lanford on the Atlanta Spirit Group's characteristically mysterious behavior throughout the team's impending sale and relocation.
Players like Chris Mason and Anthony Stewart have expressed hope they'll soon find out what happens next, former Thrashers have gently suggested the team should've produced more winning seasons and former Atlanta Flames players have merrily teed off on the ASG, but Thorburn is the first current player to publicly take a shot.
His remarks, via Lanford's video:
Just for owners to turn their backs on you, it kind of makes you mad. Obviously we don't know every aspect of the deal and where they're coming from. It hasn't been publicly noted in the paper. From everything we've heard, from rumors that we've heard, it's discouraging just knowing that they're trying to dump us. That makes a guy mad.
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Atlanta Thrashers fans had a Saturday event in honor of their team that was once called a rally but has since become more commonly known as a "tailwake." Attendance was a major item of concern for ... well, mostly for people with little to no stake in the actual outcome of the team's very likely relocation to Winnipeg.
The tone was celebratory and lighthearted, though with plenty of anger directed at the Atlanta Spirit Group and Gary Bettman.
We've been guessing there are at least a couple of hundred fans at the Gulch outside Philips Arena, though people have been coming and going and I'm not an expert. You can make what you want of our estimates. We'd like to see thousands, but the team is essentially already gone anyway, so most seem satisfied with turnout.
Here's a video I shot of some of the crowd, including a couple Thrashers fans burning a makeshift Winnipeg Jets banner that had been put up by beloved Atlanta sports troll J.K. Sockey. This stunt did not involve everybody present, and it was just a few seconds out of a four-hour tailgate that was otherwise spent on jokes, stories, music, cornhole, beer and grilling. Quite a few complained about it, and it will probably offend those of you with stomachs weak enough to be turned by the sight of a sheet being ruined for fun in a parking lot.
Photos and more video to come later.
Post written by Jason Kirk; all uses of I are his.
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Speaking to the Sports Business Journal on Saturday, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly was quoted as saying the "media was wrong on all counts" in reference to the two or so independent reports of the Atlanta Thrashers being sold and relocated to Winnipeg. Do we really mean all counts, though?
Because if we're just talking about timelines, then that's just one count they may have gotten wrong, and it's not certain that they were wrong about that one yet. Despite the way the Thursday night Globe and Mail story was received, the team has very clearly not been sold yet, no matter how inevitable such a sale appears to be.
Daly also had some stuff to say about 2011-12 NHL salary caps, but we probably don't need to worry about all that, am I right?
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Atlanta Thrashers fans are paying their respects to the team Saturday from noon until 4 pm at The Gulch outside Philips Arena. To the international media, this is just another item to checkmark.
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Winnipeg hockey fans, I am sorry. Right now you're getting just a tiny taste of what Atlanta Thrashers and Hawks fans have endured for almost a decade now. The Globe and Mail, the paper essentially owned by True North's David Thomson and the one that broke the Thursday night story that the team is packed up and ready to go, has taken a clear step back, though a small one.
Read this Friday night report carefully -- the Atlanta Spirit Group abides.
ASG and True North reportedly were negotiating late Friday night, with lawyers expecting to keep working throughout the weekend. The deal, which was described as "in place" and complete except for jots and tittles is now "complicated" and "complex" and "has yet to be finalized." And that expected Tuesday announcement of the imported Thrashers and reborn Jets? It may now be delayed.
Can't be delayed too much longer, as the NHL's unofficial deadline for announcing a relocation draws vaguely near. Hence all the working late Friday night and throughout the weekend.
This is no reason to assume the team will stay in Atlanta. However, this hints we might get the chance to watch the ASG work one last piece of despicable magic on its way out. Popcorn up, y'all.
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How are the Atlanta Thrashers going to play in Winnipeg's MTS Centre if there's already a hockey team there, huh? Answer that one for us. Oh, you say the AHL's Manitoba Moose are expected to announce a move to a different arena next Friday, Robin Short of the Telegram? Yes, I suppose that would answer that.
The Mile One Centre in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador would take the team, which would remain the property of True North's Mark Chipman for a season. There goes that great idea of shipping the Thrashers there and the Moose here and hoping nobody notices.
The relocated Moose would become the farm team of the Winnipeg [Jets] team, leaving the Vancouver Canucks system. Still no word on what's expected to happen to Atlanta's Chicago Wolves.
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The Winnipeg Sun's Tom Brodbeck says his paper has independently confirmed the Globe and Mail's report that the Atlanta Thrashers have been sold by the Atlanta Spirit Group to True North, a deal that would relocate the team to Winnipeg, Manitoba. While this still isn't official word from either of the parties, which are still negotiating according to almost all other reports, it's one of the first non-denials of the Globe report that I've seen.
The NHL itself also hasn't commented since denying the Thursday night Globe story.
All signs still point to the move being announced Tuesday night, though that won't happen at the MTS Centre -- Kid Rock is scheduled to play a show there that night.
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The impending Atlanta Thrashers move to Winnipeg has been hard on Georgia hockey fans and the payoff after a 15-year wait for Manitobans, but what about players on the Thrashers current roster? Native Canadian winger Anthony Stewart, for one, had already cast his ballot in favor of Atlanta before insisting to Paul Bissonnette that the deal isn't done, but what about his teammates?
Goalie Chris Mason, another native Canadian who's already voiced his frustration with Atlanta's attendance, says he and his fellow Thrashers players are "on the edge of their seats" about whether to go ahead and make real estate arrangements or not, while adding he'd like the chance to play in hockey-crazy Manitoba.
Ben Maxwell and Evander Kane are also active on Twitter, but haven't had much to say after the Globe and Mail report broke late Thursday night, when both posted the link and asked whether it was legit.
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Not all former Atlanta Thrashers players look down on Atlanta's hockey aptitude, despite Ben Eager's obvious disdain. Dany Heatley, one of the best players in franchise history and one who only left the city after a car wreck took the life of teammate Dan Snyder, isn't alleging Atlanta is flooded with NHL fans, but he did defend the team's core of support to ESPN's Pierre LeBrun:
All I can say is that there are a lot of great fans in Atlanta. A lot of great people that work for that organization and if they move it, it's going to be tough for a lot of people. You look at the city, I think there's five million people that live there. You think they could find some fans. All I know is that the fans that are there, the season-ticket holders when I was there, they were big hockey fans.
Ray Ferraro, who played center for Atlanta from 1999 to 2002, cited to LeBrun all the top talent the team has lost over the years, which would include Heatley. He also has a more insightful grasp of Atlanta's overall profile as a sports town than most Canadian or Northeastern media members do:
They've had zero success. Atlanta has had some really good players, they've hung on to none of them. ... In Atlanta, we had real good support early. But they've played four playoff games in 10 years. Who's going to go to games?
You looking for a college football ticket? You're not going to get one. You want to go to NASCAR? You're not going to get a ticket. It's a market with different priorities.
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San Jose Sharks wingman Ben Eager, who enjoyed—or, rather, did not enjoy—a 34-game stint with the Atlanta Thrashers in the early stages of the 2010/11 season totally understands why the team might move to Winnipeg. Indeed, he seems downright thrilled.
“I think it’s great,” Eager told Nicholas J. Cotsonika of Yahoo! Sports. He believes the Thrashers franchise has given Atlanta plenty of chances to be supportive, but the fans haven’t responded well enough. “Seven thousand people at games? It’s the National Hockey League,” he said.
Maybe that seems like sour grapes coming from a guy who shot just 7.3 percent as a Thrasher before Atlanta shipped him to San Jose for Dustin Byfuglien, but Cotsonika is careful to add more context: Eager grew up in hockey-mad Canada, so for him, perhaps low attendance and lukewarm-at-best overall support are sure signs that a team ought to move on. That a Canadian city will likely benefit can only add to his joy.
The Atlanta Thrashers are still shamelessly inviting fans to attend Saturday's select-a-seat event for season ticket holders at Philips Arena, which suggests they're still selling season tickets for a team that's almost certainly to be sold and relocated to Winnipeg over the summer. Indeed they are!
Chris Vivlamore reported earlier Friday that the team had even sold "at least one" season ticket. Hey, 10,000 is more than one, so maybe the team will have to stay now! No, I don't think that's what has happened.
Could be an overeager Winnipeg Jets fan thinks Thrashers tickets will be redeemable for the team's next season no matter where it's played.
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This might be one that we have to file under "too little too late." But according to a tweet from Kevin Allen, an alternative ownership group has reportedly made a last minute offer to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta.
For what it's worth, a group interested in keeping the Thrashers in ATL has submitted a term sheet to Thrashers owners spelling out an offer
At this point, unless that is a billion dollar offer, I can't imagine that the Thrashers will be staying in Atlanta. They seem to already have one foot on the bus to Winnipeg, but it is nice to see that there is a group out there willing to make an overture to keep them in Atlanta. I just don't think that they are coming into the race way too far in, and they might not be offering enough money to grab the attention of the Atlanta Spirit.
An early report about a deal already being reached to move the Thrashers to Winnipeg was refuted by both sides of the negotiating table, but it doesn't seem like a formal agreement is very far off. According to CTV News, Winnipeg Mayor Sam Katz believes that a deal is already in place, or that it will be agreed upon shortly.
"Do I believe an agreement is there? Absolutely," Katz told CTV News Channel. "I think everyone is telling the truth. There's an agreement, there's an understanding, but you can appreciate that until it's all papered and reviewed by the lawyers it's not a done deal."
Katz also said that the only thing that he believes could derail this sale is if a local Atlanta group steps up and provides a more attractive offer. But it doesn't look like that is going to happen, which means that we may be witnessing the last few days of the Atlanta Thrashers.
While the Thrashers move to Winnipeg hasn't yet been officially announced, it certainly looks like it is going to happen. Most signs now point to a Tuesday announcement. Obviously no Thrashers fan and few Atlanta natives will be happy with the outcome, but what is the reaction around the rest of the NHL?
Our own Laura Astorian of Bird Watchers Anonymous tried her best to reassure Thrashers fans, but hope is all but lost. Fellow NHL Southeast Division fan, The Litter Box's Donny Rivette, sums up the move quite nicely from a Southern fan's perspective:
I'm thrilled Winnipeg gets another shot at life in the "bigs", but so many good people - just like us: kids, parents, local hockey programs, and just plain fans - are being left out to dry after a decade of ownership squabbles, complete mismanagement, and a total lack of understanding of the Atlanta market.
On The Forecheck's Dirk Hoag examines the logistics involved with the move and Winnipeg staying in the southeast division:
The "Winnipeg Thrashers" would travel over 66,000 miles, over 10,000 more miles than any team has gone in the last 3 seasons. That would rank right up there in terms of difficulty with the 1992-93 Tampa Bay Lightning, who played in the old Norris Division before moving to the Eastern Conference the next season.
While Calgary Flames fan and Matchsticks and Gasoline writer Mitch Smith thinks that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman should hurry up and make an announcement:
But hockey fans continue to await Gary Bettman to descend from the mountain like Moses, to deliver the final word. He really is starting at this point to allow this story to eclipse the Stanley Cup playoffs and surely must realize that the sooner this is settled the better it is for hockey fans everywhere.
Fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs and of the Columbus Blue Jackets and quite a few others among our many NHL communities are also talking about the reported relocation, though this will likely become a topic for all of them throughout the weekend.
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On 11 Alive news last night, sports reporter Jeff Hullinger got a hold of one of the members of the Atlanta Spirit Group. Part owner Michael Gearon Jr, who has been swell about saying how much he wants to try to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta, gave this bumbling and stumbling interview to Hullinger.
For those video-impaired, the interview offered such highlights as:
“I’m focused on keeping this team here, I wish I had some help.”
“We’re still working hard to find someone to come along and invest with us in Atlanta and we’re not having success right now.”
“It’s a tough one, when we won the division we lost 20 million dollars. It’s not just the performance to succeed, it’s the support in the community.”
Good to see that we’re back to blaming fans so you don’t have to worry about personal responsibility.
Thursday night, the long-awaited Atlanta Thrashers sale to Winnipeg was reported by the Globe and Mail of being over and done with, though virtually everybody else denied the report. TSN's Darren Dreger said significant issues were still being hammered out -- what could those be? Well, here might be one.
Senior writer Ken Campbell of The Hockey News reports the Atlanta Spirit Group and the NHL can't agree on just how big that relocation fee should be. It's long been thought that there would be a $60 million fee tacked on to the $110 million or so sale price of the Thrashers, which would go into the NHL's pocket.
As Campbell points out, this is not a traditional fee.
Reportedly, the ASG wants to keep some of that $60 million, while the NHL wants some of the ASG's $110 million. The way Campbell puts it, the NHL may want as much as $90 million for itself, or more than half the total sale price of the franchise.
Just a report, of course, but something to consider. This shouldn't rule out a sale by any means, as the ASG has already tipped every card in its hand by admitting it will definitely sell and definitely has no other buyers.
Hard to root for either the NHL or the ASG here, but clean them out, Bettman. We'd like them to need money from an Atlanta Hawks sale while they're at it.
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Winnipeg hockey fans took to Portage and Main for celebrations Thursday night after the Globe and Mail's Stephen Brunt reported the Atlanta Thrashers had been sold and would relocate to Manitoba. The report immediately took off throughout North America, though it was was quickly and widely shot down by virtually all of hockey media -- and by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy Bill Daly.
However, few doubt that a sale is in the works, as True North and the Atlanta Spirit Group continue negotiations.
TSN's Darren Dreger said, "There are still significant issues being negotiated," which is about the strongest rebuttal anybody offered as to the eventual likelihood of the move itself. Considering the Globe and Mail is owned via one confounding investment channel or another by David Thomson, an owner of True North, it's quite a stretch of the imagination to believe a deal won't be announced soon -- would you let one of your newspapers screw up a report like this?
But, again, it's not yet official. Brunt himself, while on Sports Radio 1290 Thursday night, acknowledged there may still be "i's to dot and t's to cross," an assessment that emphasizes his certainty in the deal getting done.
Brunt reported the deal is to be announced Tuesday by Bettman in Winnipeg; CBC Sports reports that Tuesday mark may be the deadline by which a deal must be struck in order for the team's relocation to be accepted, as the 2011-12 NHL schedule needs to be finalized soon.
Bettman had denied the imminence of a sale on his weekly NHL Live show late Thursday, just a couple of hours before the Brunt report exploded on Twitter. He also commented on the scheduled Thrashers fans Saturday tailgate in support of the team:
I understand that there may be dissatisfaction there, but demonstrating your dissatisfaction by not going to games is an interesting strategy. It's your absolute right. But if it becomes a turnoff for anybody who might want to buy the franchise, the long-term consequences could be severe.
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The Winnipeg Free Press and quite a few other hockey outlets are denying the Globe and Mail's report that the Atlanta Thrashers are already sold and already bound for Winnipeg. Geez, lay off the Globe and Mail already, y'all. Here are a few others:
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True North confirms to CJOB sale of Thrashers is NOT doneless than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Nhl and True North deny report by Globe and Mail saying Atlanta to Wpg deal is done. #Thrashersless than a minute ago via txt
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Add the AJC to the growing list of reporters who can say a deal to sell and move the #Thrashers has not been completed.less than a minute ago via TweetDeck
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Here's another national hockey media member denying the Globe and Mail's report that the Atlanta Thrashers have already been sold to Winnipeg's True North. ESPN's Pierre LeBrun tweeted Thursday night that his source at TNSE has denied the claim:
FYI source at True North in Winnipeg just told me deal is NOT done yet with Thrashers. Talks continue.less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Let's go ahead and postpone the goodbye party for now. We had expected the sale to be announced next week, and it's starting to look like that timeline might just be upheld.
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Though the Globe and Mail has reported the Atlanta Thrashers have been sold and will move to Winnipeg, Manitoba, the USA Today's Kevin Allen tweeted shortly afterward that he's yet to see evidence of such a sale. To quote: "Based on my reporting... no evidence that there is a deal done between Thrashers owners and those wanting to move the team to Winnipeg."
He also says he's "being told" the deal is not yet done.
So, yeah. Let's wait until the announcement is made official before giving in entirely, but that's a mighty big report by a major media outlet. Still, it's just a report at this point.
Winnipeg fans are overjoyed, as they should be, while Thrashers fans may need to be restrained. More to come as it happens.
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The Atlanta Thrashers will be moved to Winnipeg, Manitoba after terms of a sale were agreed upon, the Globe and Mail reported Thursday night. The deal will reportedly be announced Tuesday, with Gary Bettman in Winnipeg for the announcement.
If the report is accurate, this concludes a long and difficult sale process that saw the Atlanta Spirit Group repeatedly claim no local buyers were available while putting the Atlanta Hawks on the block as well. Winnipeg's True North group was reportedly the only available legit suitor.
No word yet on the terms of the reported deal, though the team was believed to be up for $170 million counting a $60 million relocation fee that will go to the NHL. Much more to come.
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J.B. Smith, AKA "The Balkan," has been written off by most fans and writers as an unlikely Atlanta Thrashers buyer, but he's apparently still still interested in "keeping the Thrashers in Atlanta," according to a press release put out Thursday by his media contact Jay Clemons. No mention of the Hawks or Philips Arena, which were also supposed to be in his plans.
The press release itself heralds Smith's addition to "an independent private-equity firm" named Hollywood Stake. The only Google result I could turn up for a search of the company's name (besides the press release itself) was this website, which demands to know why your idea is worth its money, a plausibly equity firm-y query. The website was registered in August 2010 in Scottsdale, Arizona.
A question to Clemons on whether that's actually the enterprise's website hasn't been answered yet.
The release also says there's a statement on the way by Smith regarding the many accusations that have surfaced against his business practices, and Clemons says he'll make media appearances Friday.
The possibility of Smith buying the team has appeared to be non-existent for several days now, but at least he's providing a distraction during a tough time, right?
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore has posted his story on the Atlanta Thrashers being down to just one potential buyers group with an interest in keeping the team in Atlanta. According to the report, team president Don Waddell was dealing with two non-local shoppers until recently.
No clue which group dropped out, nor which group remains. We know their northern competition is True North, the group that aims to bring the team to Winnipeg.
Also according to Vivlamore, a deal between the Atlanta Spirit Group and TNSE is "not imminent," which lends further credence to Damien Cox's report that the two groups may not be as close on price as we'd assumed. The deadline to relocate the team is likely a somewhat mushy one, but if a deal isn't struck next week, Manitoba is going to get a little weird for a while.
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore tweets with promise of a more in-depth writeup that the Atlanta Thrashers have only one remaining group of potential buyers hoping to keep the team in town. That wouldn't include Winnipeg's True North group, since Vivlamore specifies that this group wants to keep the team in Atlanta. He does say this group is not based in town, however.
Not sure which group this takes off the table, since the group that [rumor alert] rumoredly [not a word] includes Anson Carter according to rumors was the only group anybody knew of with any interest in keeping the team local. Can't see how it would include J.B. Smith either, since he reportedly wants the Hawks and Philips Arena as well and -- shall we say -- hasn't been taken seriously by very many people, to put it gently.
We'll circle back for more details once Vivlamore posts on the story.
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The Atlanta Spirit Group, the many-flavored smear that owns the Atlanta Thrashers for the time being, has reportedly hit a snag with True North, the group that would purchase and relocate the team to Winnipeg. Damien Cox of the Toronto Star says "negotiations may be slowed" between the two due to ASG's asking price, widely believed to be almost $170 million counting a $60 million moving fee that would go to the NHL.
Cox touches on something I've been wondering myself. Since ASG member Bruce Levenson has admitted he hasn't even considered the possibility of retaining ownership of the team for the 2011-12 NHL season and the entire group has insisted that no other viable buyers exist, doesn't that mean True North can pay whatever it wants? Where's the bargaining chip? Atlanta Spirit can't threaten to keep the team if TNSE won't hit a certain figure.
If what Cox is hearing is accurate, then here's a summary of negotiations thus far:
"We don't want this team. Pay us $170 million for it."
"No. We will pay you less than that."
"Fine then. We will sell the team to ... Oh, I see your point."
If you don't smell a colony of rats by now ...
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After a busy couple of days* in the Atlanta Thrashers relocation story, it's probably time for somebody to check in with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman. The commish was on Vancouver's TEAM 1040-AM during Wednesday night's game between the San Jose Sharks and Vancouver Canucks, insisting he's unaware of any deal between the Atlanta Spirit Group and True North that would send the Thrashers to Winnipeg. He OK'd the negotiations between the two, so he'd likely be among the first to know, after all.
Bettman, as transcribed by A.J. Perez of CBS Sports' Eye on Hockey blog:
There has been so much speculation. How many people in your line of work were reporting the Coyotes were going to Winnipeg? Where is that coming from? It's made up. It didn't happen. The minute the Coyotes made it clear they're staying, we're on to Atlanta. True North is going about their business and they're taking a businesslike approach. We are pleased with that, but there's nothing to report ... I never say never about anything. There is no deal right now.
I mean, yeah, technically there isn't a deal in place. It's nice to know Bettman is never-say-nevering the possibility of the team remaining in Atlanta, but the lack of any public show of support in Atlanta's favor on this matter still says all we need to know about the NHL's interests. They are indeed pleased with True North's businesslike approach, which is likely to result in a businesslike $60 million relocation fee into the pockets of NHL owners.
* Let's recap. Manitoba's government basically agreed to lending True North its support for -- wink wink -- upgrading Winnipeg's hockey facility. Long-sought Thrashers savior "The Balkan" was revealed to be J.B. Smith, a man whose reputation has raised more questions than answers, to be charitable. A local buyers group, believed to include NHL veteran Anson Carter, was dismissed by the team's most prominent beat writer. And some Thrashers fans are holding a rally/get-together/tailgate on Saturday that will be watched closely by many major news outlets, God help us.
Oh, and the Atlanta Hawks are technically on the block now, too, though quite a few don't believe they're actually up for sale. Oh, and Lil Jon is definitely, officially not buying the Thrashers.
Most people think the Thrashers will leave Atlanta next week. You're mostly caught up now.
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As we've been saying for a couple days now, Lil Jon will not buy the Atlanta Thrashers. It was a fun rumor, and one that sort of made sense considering his noted fandom and above-average income, but, as Chris Vivlamore shared, the rapper has officially denied the story to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Melissa Ruggieri.
Lil Jon on the matter:
I love the Thrashers, but I'm not investing in them. The one good thing about that rumor is that it's stirring up a lot of people talking and saying we gotta keep them here.
He does have a great point. This rumor has given the Thrashers more local publicity than they've been able to get in months, if not years. Of course, it's probably too little and far too late for any of that to matter. However, Atlanta does have hundreds of rappers left. If they all band their wealth ...
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Atlanta Thrashers fans have scheduled a "Rally in Support of the Atlanta Thrashers" for Saturday, May 21 from noon until 4 pm at the Gulch next to Philips Arena, according to the group's Facebook page. As of this writing, it has 44 declared attendees and 16 Maybes. Oh man.
If people show up the team's Select-A-Seat event at Philips and then head down to join the crowd at the Gulch, those numbers might swell a little bit, plus it's still three days away. But with a Herman Cain rally going on at Centennial Park at the same time*, along with the 100,000 other things to do on a spring day in Georgia, I'm pretty nervous.
The last time Thrashers fans tried something like this, we urged them to pick the most opportune time
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